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Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: Arrov123 on April 05, 2012, 12:39 pm
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The biggest obstacle to Silkroad's growth is how difficult it is to get ahold of bitcoins.
Silkroad already has highly sophisticated shufflers and the like to prevent BTC from being tracked. Using the same idea, why not create a built-in USD-BTC transaction service, accepting everything from paypal to pre-paid debit cards, and cut out the middle man so we don't have to use Dwolla or give away up to 20% of our BTC value to people like BTC Buddy and BTC King? Dummy companies could be created to avoid detection, and if the shit hits the fan and Silkroad gets raided, the data regarding these transactions could be set to wipe itself out on demand. Thoughts? The only drawback I see is that BTC Buddy is going to go out of business ;D I like that guy's attitude and demeanor a lot.
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maybe stick this in Feature Requests?
i like it though, good idea if they can get it to work
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Bad idea, Paypal leaves permanent records especially for buyers sending payments, there is a reason Bits is the only currency because it is the most anonymous and secure.
If people feel it is to hard to get bits they can go elsewhere, forfeiting people security just to grow a little is not worth it. Bits are legal to buy and non traceable with very little effort unlike all other forms of payment except a few other e-currency.
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Bitcoins are not hard to get. It's the easiest and fastest "Digital Currency" now by miles.
I was around when only LR, egold and Pecunix were the currency options and waiting 3 days for funding was the norm not the exception.
Nobody will accept paypal and credit cards because these can be scammed easily. The point of bitcoin is emulating a cash based transaction, no charge back so if I steal hundreds of paypal accounts and buy bitcoins with them the guy who sold them to me is totally fucked once paypal reverses all the charges a month or so later.
If you really want to cut out the middleman and expand bitcoin, start doing local cash based transactions. You look up who has bitcoins in your city and go meet them at a cafe and buy on the spot. That's what bitcoin should become, cutting out banks entirely
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How is Bank -> Dwolla -> BitInstant -> MtGox -> <shuffle> -> SR difficult...
Heck you can go straight from Bank to MtGox if you want to get off your ass.
It's just not instantaneous....the price you pay for security.
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Maybe some day it will be a normal currency like the plastic we carry in our wallet... maybe :S
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I've always wondered why buyers don't accept MMORPG currencies. There are some very popular games with currencies just as stable as BTC and it would be a thousand times more accessible for the average person to pay this way.
Bitcoins are expensive and time consuming to obtain, a 20% loss just to be able to buy something is really shitty and combined with the amount of time and effort spent getting to the point where you can actually spend them (safely) it turns into one big frustrating ordeal.
Using game currencies would solve all these problems. You're looking at a 5% loss for currency transfer (because of the competitive markets) AND you'd get the currency immediately. It would make buying a thousand times easier, cheaper and far less intimidating to a new time buyer.
Note that I'm just saying this is more efficient, I realize it can't be done through SR. I'm just surprised nobody offers it as an option.
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Bad idea, Paypal leaves permanent records especially for buyers sending payments, there is a reason Bits is the only currency because it is the most anonymous and secure.
If people feel it is to hard to get bits they can go elsewhere, forfeiting people security just to grow a little is not worth it. Bits are legal to buy and non traceable with very little effort unlike all other forms of payment except a few other e-currency.
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If you can't figure it out after reading the wiki, you don't belong here
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Pecunix is actually more anonymous as you need no identification to open an account and EVERYTHING can be done over Tor. bitcoin itself is anonymous (they can trace coins to origin but still can't figure out WHO had those coins first), but it's the exchanging that isn't. Problem is, bitcoin has a full API and is actually damned easy to integrate into a website because you can create a limitless number of virtual wallets within the site itself (or set to interact with it from a secondary, safe location).
I am a huge fan of pecunix because its value is stable. bitcoins will have to become much more widely used to stabilize and lose their role as a USD recycling center. It will be awesome if they are, and the more wide use will obscure that much more of the illicit activities they facilitate. At this point, one of the biggest vulnerabilities for SR would be integrating traditional payments, even to simply acquire coins, into the site. The moralist "gang of thieves, writ large" about the world would love for a nice, easy, fruit to pluck to bring this place down, and traceable payments are about as low-hanging a fruit as you get.
That being said, there is a huge money-making opportunity in digital currency exchange services. If someone could integrate all of the major game currencies, pexunix, paypal, bitcoin, liberty reserve, ukash, etc. all into one exchange site (you would probably need somewhere between 250k - 1 million to handle enough reserves for everything), you could make a KILLING. 7 figures a year type of killing. If I had the programming knowledge I would be all over that so fast..... especially since it's a fully legit, legal business model (for now).
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so we don't have to use Dwolla or give away up to 100% of our BTC value to people like BTC Buddy ...
Fixed.
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The biggest obstacle to Silkroad's growth is how difficult it is to get ahold of bitcoins.
Silkroad already has highly sophisticated shufflers and the like to prevent BTC from being tracked. Using the same idea, why not create a built-in USD-BTC transaction service, accepting everything from paypal to pre-paid debit cards, and cut out the middle man so we don't have to use Dwolla or give away up to 20% of our BTC value to people like BTC Buddy and BTC King? Dummy companies could be created to avoid detection, and if the shit hits the fan and Silkroad gets raided, the data regarding these transactions could be set to wipe itself out on demand. Thoughts? The only drawback I see is that BTC Buddy is going to go out of business ;D I like that guy's attitude and demeanor a lot.
Dude, bitcoins are easy to get. Just send money order or cash in mail or Western Union to http://www.get-bitcoin.com or http://www.campbx.com or http://www.virwox.com
Screw Dwolla or paying 20%
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Pecunix is actually more anonymous as you need no identification to open an account and EVERYTHING can be done over Tor. bitcoin itself is anonymous (they can trace coins to origin but still can't figure out WHO had those coins first), but it's the exchanging that isn't. Problem is, bitcoin has a full API and is actually damned easy to integrate into a website because you can create a limitless number of virtual wallets within the site itself (or set to interact with it from a secondary, safe location).
A crypto-metallic monetary standard is such a cool thought no?
I am a huge fan of pecunix because its value is stable. bitcoins will have to become much more widely used to stabilize and lose their role as a USD recycling center. It will be awesome if they are, and the more wide use will obscure that much more of the illicit activities they facilitate. At this point, one of the biggest vulnerabilities for SR would be integrating traditional payments, even to simply acquire coins, into the site. The moralist "gang of thieves, writ large" about the world would love for a nice, easy, fruit to pluck to bring this place down, and traceable payments are about as low-hanging a fruit as you get.
Yep yep.. Follow the money. Bitcoins being decentralized and washable is a big plus. They serve a different function than Pecunix. Bitcoin is for EXCHANGING value. Pecunix is for STORING value. Again IMO.
That being said, there is a huge money-making opportunity in digital currency exchange services. If someone could integrate all of the major game currencies, pexunix, paypal, bitcoin, liberty reserve, ukash, etc. all into one exchange site (you would probably need somewhere between 250k - 1 million to handle enough reserves for everything), you could make a KILLING. 7 figures a year type of killing. If I had the programming knowledge I would be all over that so fast..... especially since it's a fully legit, legal business model (for now).
I think this guy would agree with you... anonXchange . http://6vmgggba6rksjyim.onion/ . Looks like he has all the major e-currencies covered and was doing enough business he had to take time to automate instead of doing it "by hand" via email. If he fails or can't make it work I will lash my code monkey and see what can be done. He's a thief, a lecher, and a scoundrel, but he breathes bits and kernels.
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I do not this this IS a good idea.
Here are the reasons why. For one, SR needs to be viewed as a small community in order to thrive for an extended period of time. This place cannot be connected to any sort of large profit money laundering fronts. That is the complete opposite sort of thing to implement in the site.
If anything, we need to be thinking about LIMITING services such as money laundering. This will surely attract the attention of federal officials. Mind you every time that the feds intervene in a state law such as medicinal cannabis, they always bring the IRS with the DEA.
If anything we need to be thinking about securing this place further, and locking it down from attack, to safeguard it against any sort of compromise. I also wonder, where will we go if (and it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when, all good things come to an end) this place goes down.
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I also wonder, where will we go if (and it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when, all good things come to an end) this place goes down.
This part is pretty simple.. at least at first glance. Vendors should build off-S.R. .onion sites to present and portfolio their wares, while using the escrow options of S.R. and B.M.R. They should strongly encourage and give preferential treatment to those customers who are motivated enough to communicate with them via tormail or similar means (because those will be the customers of the future.. who are more likely to be buying long term in the event of trouble in paradise).
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I also wonder, where will we go if (and it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when, all good things come to an end) this place goes down.
This part is pretty simple.. at least at first glance. Vendors should build off-S.R. .onion sites to present and portfolio their wares, while using the escrow options of S.R. and B.M.R. They should strongly encourage and give preferential treatment to those customers who are motivated enough to communicate with them via tormail or similar means (because those will be the customers of the future.. who are more likely to be buying long term in the event of trouble in paradise).
That's exactly what I'm doing. Something I've had in the works with a partner since SR announced instant bans for OOE transactions (which I used to do about 75% of my business in) a couple of months ago. I'm working on a simple .onion web interface that generates a BTC amount and address (based on current exchange, good for a few hours) and a PGP address entry box, using the same public key I have on here. I'm most likely just going to be selling my LSD on there, at a discount to the SR price and with no commission (obviously) and free shipping anywhere on earth.
We'll see how it goes. It's in progress as I type this.
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That's exactly what I'm doing. Something I've had in the works with a partner since SR announced instant bans for OOE transactions (which I used to do about 75% of my business in) a couple of months ago. I'm working on a simple .onion web interface that generates a BTC amount and address (based on current exchange, good for a few hours) and a PGP address entry box, using the same public key I have on here. I'm most likely just going to be selling my LSD on there, at a discount to the SR price and with no commission (obviously) and free shipping anywhere on earth.
We'll see how it goes. It's in progress as I type this.
You looked at a program called "shallot" bro? Once I put up listings (hopefully within the month depending on how harvest goes) my vending account will be supported by a .onion site at ******** shroomsrbujyplqn.onion ****.
Have you found a suitably anonymous solution for the required VPS yet?
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Bitcoins are not hard to get. It's the easiest and fastest "Digital Currency" now by miles.
I was around when only LR, egold and Pecunix were the currency options and waiting 3 days for funding was the norm not the exception.
Nobody will accept paypal and credit cards because these can be scammed easily. The point of bitcoin is emulating a cash based transaction, no charge back so if I steal hundreds of paypal accounts and buy bitcoins with them the guy who sold them to me is totally fucked once paypal reverses all the charges a month or so later.
If you really want to cut out the middleman and expand bitcoin, start doing local cash based transactions. You look up who has bitcoins in your city and go meet them at a cafe and buy on the spot. That's what bitcoin should become, cutting out banks entirely
Couldn't have said it better myself.
If you think about it people who can't get BitCoins are just lazy, there is an actual step-by-step guide on Wikipedia now. Google "How to buy BitCoins" and see what comes up, I did that and it took me 5 minutes to work it out. Only annoying thing was that I had to re-install BitCoin wallet a few times because it kept fucking up during sync, after that it's job's a good'un!
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Am I the only person here with an anon paypal network...?
Note: Didn't read the whole thread, posting my thoughts first.
IF SR could pull this off, I firmly believe that business would boom. Personally, because I try to keep all my money cash, if SR would allow anonymous cash bank deposits, I would be spending a lot more money here. Paypal could work too. As with anonymous VCC purchases of bitcoin.
Perhaps SR could keep their coin in a cloud and send deposits to users accounts via the cloud to help with anonymity.? I do realize that this, unfortunately, is probably never going to happen due to the massive revamps required, but one can dream eh?
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No one will ever accept a payment system which can be reversed like Paypal, thats why you cannot find people to sell bits using Paypal because the buyer can just reverse the charge and get their money back and keep the bits.
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IF SR could pull this off, I firmly believe that business would boom. Personally, because I try to keep all my money cash, if SR would allow anonymous cash bank deposits, I would be spending a lot more money here. Paypal could work too. As with anonymous VCC purchases of bitcoin.
1. Bitcoin --> MtGox --> possible laundries --> S.R. already IS an anonymous bank deposit to S.R.
2. Paypal is a reversible payment method as one person responded.
3. VCC are a CC.. so I would assume they are also a reversible payment method like a regular CC.
Perhaps SR could keep their coin in a cloud and send deposits to users accounts via the cloud to help with anonymity.? I do realize that this, unfortunately, is probably never going to happen due to the massive revamps required, but one can dream eh?
Let us assume DPR was in the mood to take on ANOTHER huge project, fully as complicated and involved as S.R. Would/Should he wrap a new currency exchange in the Silk Road flag? Honestly no. If he wanted to do it.. he would/should make that a separate ship flying a different flag. Split up his liabilities so if one gets hammered he doesn't lose all his businesses in one fell stroke.
That said there is a nice (semi-legal) business opportunity waiting on someone here on TOR exchanging funds. The Bitinstant guys have a good solution. Other niches or outright head to head competition with BitInstant may be workable. Someone will likely try it.. that's the nature of a free market.
D.P.R./SR doesn't have to make it happen in-house. It's better for everyone if it happens OUT OF HOUSE. Just look at the problems caused by applying the necessary and wonderful vendor anonymity protocols to the BTC Vendors!!
You need to KNOW your banker (though he doesn't need to know you!).
You DO NOT need to know your dealer (and he needs to know only such information about you as you give him).
All you need to know about your bag-man (escrow agent) is his track record and history.
S.R. is the Bag man and the Market Maker.. The Bag Man doesn't need to be the Banker.
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The biggest obstacle to Silkroad's growth is how difficult it is to get ahold of bitcoins.
Silkroad already has highly sophisticated shufflers and the like to prevent BTC from being tracked. Using the same idea, why not create a built-in USD-BTC transaction service, accepting everything from paypal to pre-paid debit cards, and cut out the middle man so we don't have to use Dwolla or give away up to 20% of our BTC value to people like BTC Buddy and BTC King? Dummy companies could be created to avoid detection, and if the shit hits the fan and Silkroad gets raided, the data regarding these transactions could be set to wipe itself out on demand. Thoughts? The only drawback I see is that BTC Buddy is going to go out of business ;D I like that guy's attitude and demeanor a lot.
Dude, bitcoins are easy to get. Just send money order or cash in mail or Western Union to http://www.get-bitcoin.com or http://www.campbx.com or http://www.virwox.com
Screw Dwolla or paying 20%
Straight bookmarked, on those last three sites you dropped. They will be a time and money life saver!
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I don't personally have any problems with dwolla.. I think it's pretty nice. It can take awhile if you're moving money from dwolla to mtgox from your bank but dwolla has an instant service that basically gives out loans of 100$ (and I don't buy anything more than 100$ at once anyways) and you can repay it at the end of the month with dwolla so no time is spent waiting on your bank. Takes me one evening to generate 20 coins and buy some shrooms with it, only part that takes awhile really is moving from the bitcoin fog to silkroad.
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The biggest obstacle to Silkroad's growth is how difficult it is to get ahold of bitcoins.
Silkroad already has highly sophisticated shufflers and the like to prevent BTC from being tracked. Using the same idea, why not create a built-in USD-BTC transaction service, accepting everything from paypal to pre-paid debit cards, and cut out the middle man so we don't have to use Dwolla or give away up to 20% of our BTC value to people like BTC Buddy and BTC King? Dummy companies could be created to avoid detection, and if the shit hits the fan and Silkroad gets raided, the data regarding these transactions could be set to wipe itself out on demand. Thoughts? The only drawback I see is that BTC Buddy is going to go out of business ;D I like that guy's attitude and demeanor a lot.
SR cant really accept those kinda payments. Your idea isnt feasible. Its far more difficult and complex than you think. Its easy to acquire bitcoins but people choose to use echangers.
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Christ almighty the dude brought you a venue where you can buy illicit drugs for the small step of finding out how to purchase bitcoins and now you want him to integrate it within his already what I am sure is a handful of a project
might as well ask him to wipe our asses while we smoke the chronic he brings us
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Maybe some day it will be a normal currency like the plastic we carry in our wallet... maybe :S
they already have hard cards that hold a secured chip with a log.file inside. search Bitcoincharts.com news page, last month
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Personally for me I want to keep SR as small as possible. I think the larger SR grows the more attention it gets and the more attention can lead to myriad of problems. It is a classic scenario in movies and in life; getting too big for your own good and then you come crashing back down to Earth in a fireball of bit coins and stamps.
make it hard for people to get an account. it keeps out the idiots and 14 year olds both I am sure, we could agree, we don't want part of the community. ;)
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Perhaps a nominal fee for a Buyer's account (say 2 BTC) which was then instantly credited to your wallet when you created the account. For the programming minded amongst you is this feasible?
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Personally for me I want to keep SR as small as possible. I think the larger SR grows the more attention it gets and the more attention can lead to myriad of problems. It is a classic scenario in movies and in life; getting too big for your own good and then you come crashing back down to Earth in a fireball of bit coins and stamps.
make it hard for people to get an account. it keeps out the idiots and 14 year olds both I am sure, we could agree, we don't want part of the community. ;)
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I agree with you. Bitcoins are the number one thing scaring off new users. But paypal leaves to much of a trace. Maybe SR have a built in way to convert Visa prepaid cards into btc. I think that would be the best way. Go to a gas station buy a $30 prepaid card with cash, give the card # to SR and $30 gets put in your account.
That would be the best, I think right now there are a few problems with that, but hopefully some day it will be that easy.
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I agree with you. Bitcoins are the number one thing scaring off new users. But paypal leaves to much of a trace. Maybe SR have a built in way to convert Visa prepaid cards into btc. I think that would be the best way. Go to a gas station buy a $30 prepaid card with cash, give the card # to SR and $30 gets put in your account.
That would be the best, I think right now there are a few problems with that, but hopefully some day it will be that easy.
I don't want to sound horrible but I really don't understand why buying Bitcoins is such a big deal - of course I sell them to people in the UK for cash in the post but in the USA it's even easier through MoneyPaks.
Although Bitcoin transactions are irreversible Visa payments and Paypal are - so there's a risk if sellers accepted this option people would do a chargeback on your card.
If people really find buying BTC without using Paypal is too much for them, you can go on eBay and buy BTC at hugely inflated rates but it's far safer to use cash - I'm not just saying this to garner business, check your local Craiglist and see if you can find a seller on there!
V.
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I'm a big time newb here and I just don't see the big deal.
Get an account on Bitinstant/MtGox. My first experience:
* Went to my bank (where I don't have an account) @ 5:45 PM with a printout of the BitInstant deposit info,
* the teller completed the deposit slip (no request for ID),
* I give him cash,
* before I get home 20 mins later it is showing on BI
* transfer to MtGox, arrives maybe 30 minutes later
* transfer to BitCoin on my PC, it's there maybe 30 minutes later
* transfer to SR - and that takes maybe another 30 minutes
So under 3 hours of pretty easy work (mostly just checking balances), I go from cash in hand to coins on SR. I like it. Am I missing something?
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Only thing I can suggest is nt too shoot down new members and call them cops etc. I made a genuine enquiry here in forum and al I really got was, your a Pig, Blah blah.
i posted what i need, whats sense in saying i need one of something per week when i require 10 seriously? I don't fuck around, up front and no BS.
But the crap last night is enough to turn anyone of this shit. To grow SR, need people to be realistic and accept the fact that there are small buyers, medium buyers and large buyers, and yeah who knows how many cops about here.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Also obtaining Bitcoin with cash is easy, theres some new sites ive seen at bittalk forum opening up.
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Only thing I can suggest is nt too shoot down new members and call them cops etc. I made a genuine enquiry here in forum and al I really got was, your a Pig, Blah blah.
i posted what i need, whats sense in saying i need one of something per week when i require 10 seriously? I don't fuck around, up front and no BS.
But the crap last night is enough to turn anyone of this shit. To grow SR, need people to be realistic and accept the fact that there are small buyers, medium buyers and large buyers, and yeah who knows how many cops about here.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Also obtaining Bitcoin with cash is easy, theres some new sites ive seen at bittalk forum opening up.
That's because your thread sounded bent as fuck lol.
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Only thing I can suggest is nt too shoot down new members and call them cops etc. I made a genuine enquiry here in forum and al I really got was, your a Pig, Blah blah.
i posted what i need, whats sense in saying i need one of something per week when i require 10 seriously? I don't fuck around, up front and no BS.
But the crap last night is enough to turn anyone of this shit. To grow SR, need people to be realistic and accept the fact that there are small buyers, medium buyers and large buyers, and yeah who knows how many cops about here.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Also obtaining Bitcoin with cash is easy, theres some new sites ive seen at bittalk forum opening up.
That's because your thread sounded bent as fuck lol.
Fuck me are you 18 or something? If I need certain fucking quantity I ask for certain quantity, had few decent PM's, so yeah wasnt a waste of time besides putting up with fukwhits
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Also obtaining Bitcoin with cash is easy, theres some new sites ive seen at bittalk forum opening up.
Yes indeed, and one of the few safe ways of obtaining BTC! But I digress...
I really am sorry if anything I said made you feel unwelcome but if you have a look at the forums you can see there isn't a single method of buying Bitcoins. Also the same questions keep cropping up over and over - questions that can be answered by googling "Bitcoin" and just reading the first three links you find there, including the Bitcoin wiki.
If you do need any advice, please don't hesitate to ask, send me a PM if you'd rather do it in confidence but it's going to be a lot more useful to you to teach yourself as well as be taught by others.
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dude are you completely unaware of bitinstant? I have my bitcoins in my SR account within an hour
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I transfer a lot of LR, through Mt. Gox daily and I get bitcoins within 3 hours how is this hard?
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Bad idea, Paypal leaves permanent records especially for buyers sending payments, there is a reason Bits is the only currency because it is the most anonymous and secure.
If people feel it is to hard to get bits they can go elsewhere, forfeiting people security just to grow a little is not worth it. Bits are legal to buy and non traceable with very little effort unlike all other forms of payment except a few other e-currency.
Liberty reserve with the "Private Payment option" is actually the most anonymous i'm sorry but it is.
A lot of information chasing bitcoin chains can be found online using certain websites, with LR using private payment option it won't even list who sent the money.
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This is mostly true, however it should be taken into account that all LR transactions are kept via central depository on LR's own servers. If a government were to get an international subpoena, those records would be accessible (and that's without LR co-operating with government without the coercion of a subpoena). And, since you can't log in to LR via tor, you are exposed at the very least by geography based on your IP addresses in the logs.
It's very tough to track down BTC to an actual person. An address, yes. A person.... good luck (unless it's publicly posted on their own website or something). And even then, you still have major hurdles to prove to bring a case to court, as opposed to just grabbing a bunch of IP logs from LR.
Bad idea, Paypal leaves permanent records especially for buyers sending payments, there is a reason Bits is the only currency because it is the most anonymous and secure.
If people feel it is to hard to get bits they can go elsewhere, forfeiting people security just to grow a little is not worth it. Bits are legal to buy and non traceable with very little effort unlike all other forms of payment except a few other e-currency.
Liberty reserve with the "Private Payment option" is actually the most anonymous i'm sorry but it is.
A lot of information chasing bitcoin chains can be found online using certain websites, with LR using private payment option it won't even list who sent the money.
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My suggestion would be for SR's official policy to be to protect the right of individual freedom and make it a mental thing where over time the conscious mind of the average citizen hears the truth and accepts the truth have their opinions chances.
I.E no public bashing of law enforcement of any agency but declare their cause and and their mission to be unattainable and use logic to try and change their thoughts not rude comments and name callings..
Something like :We here at silk road do not endorse drug use not do we want it in the hands of children while yet the current policy makes drugs as easy to get as humans for beer and present those facts to the people. Add that SR wants to work with LEO practice and attain the great safety and good of its citizens. and carefully and well thought out explain the events of how narcotics became banned in the first place. From a racist point o view and that is 100% fact. Weed was first to guy cause white politicans felt they used weed to take white women home and with cocain they accused blacks of using it to seduce white woman,. in china town san fran they banned opium smoking cause they feared it was being used to lure white women to bed by the oriental . Not a very sound way of or logical way to pass a law,.
If thomas jeffersion grew opium plants and made opium tes and ben franklin put jugs of beer down at day and george watch declared everyone to grow the seeeds . that mixed with the fact that Americans most strongest century of production and became a world power was all dune during the days where over half the people used cocaine or heroin or opium or weed yet look at what those men accomplished? Much more than w have. WE have science advancement they advanced through hard laborious work and sweat from everything from our rail roads to our infrastructure to the glowing gold and stock exchange and all this time drugs were legal across the board. Pretty impressive from a bunch of JUNKIES right guys?\
We need a million man March on Washington DC and let our voices be heard because untill the public hear the truth in true facts and not political bias and falsehoods and many will see they have been mislead.