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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: VERYCONCERNED on March 02, 2012, 08:59 pm
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This is extremely important, and I URGE all users and sellers to read this.
The seller MosesYr1 on the SR, IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND UNSTABLE PERSON TO DEAL WITH.
I left the seller a 3/5 review due to a very lengthy shipping time, the seller (MosesYr1) was not happy with this, and began threatening my physical safety and the safety of my private information, I would like to share some dialog between me and the seller.
MosesYr1: "I'm asking you to re adjust your feedback. A 3/5 for receiving your product and product as advertised is absolutely unacceptable. You are faulting me for shipping which is out of my control.
PLEASE revise your 3/5 to 5/5. I cant believe you would do that to me. Wow really?"
Me: I see your conduct as some what unprofessional, the package took over a week to get here and it was only going across * states, I'm sorry that you had some unforeseen circumstances, but you received the payment and my honest opinion of the transaction, perhaps if you want to try and make things right with a little incentive I would be willing to change my review, I may order from you again in the next week, if things go smoother, and the shipping is significantly faster I will leave you a 5/5 and change my previous review as well. Sorry if you feel like I'm being unreasonable but business is business no matter what product is involved. Thanks again for the exchange, let me know what you want to do from here.
MosesYr1:Hey Friend,
We have friends in Every City in this beautiful USA. Take care over there ;)
Me:I advise you to stop your extremely unprofessional behavior, I come to the SR so i can conduct orderly business without having to deal with juvenile bullshit like this, learn the ways of business, you will be reviewed for the service you give and the way you act, you can count on my review changing to a 1/5 after your childish threat. Since it doesn't seem like you want to resolve this is a mature way it is probably going to stay that way, let me know if your willing to act like an adult and resolve the situation without threats, thanks.
MosesYr1: Your so funny like anyone cares what you have to say.
Good luck 'over there'.
And again, take real good care at your pad buddy ;) ;)
MosesYr1: Keep using that address!
Something tells me the local cops know about your deliveries.
Hope it was worth it.
bye bye.
This is Direct quotes from the conversation i had with the seller MosesYr1, PLEASE AVOID THIS SELLER AT ALL COSTS, YOUR INFORMATION IS NOT SAFE WITH THIS PERSON!!!!
this seller is obviously extremely emotionally unstable, he/she is childish, unprofessional, and has EXTREME anger issues.
I am only making this post to warn others so they do not have to go through what I went through, I am getting no personal gain from slandering this seller,
That was the last transaction I made on SR and it will be the last I ever make, PLEASE, FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR SAFTEY AVOID THIS PERSON THEY ARE NOTHING BUT TROUBLE!
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You left 3/5 feedback because it took 7 days to receive your item?...
Then you offered to change it in exchange for compensation.
Then the seller went full retard...
Lots of WTF on both sides here.
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3/5 wasn't just for shipping (however in hind sight it really should have been a 4/5 :-\ )
Communication up to the point of crazy rage was very bad, I had asked the seller if he/she could ship the item the day after i placed the order, but then the seller apparently had his/her car stolen, and the package was not actually shipped for about 6 days after I placed it, I'm not sure about the sellers particular situation but post offices are usually accessible without a car. I was not asking for compensation, I just wanted some assurance that the next delivery would be more prompt, and If it was my feedback would change, bottom line what should have took 3 days took 10, and if the seller was a little bit less psycho it could have been properly resolved.
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Yeah, he was acting unprofessionally but you were being a bit ridiculous...
However threatening anyone here with cops or harming them or their property should not be tolerated.
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FAIL
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Perhaps in hind sight I was being unreasonable, the seller did not deserve a 5/5, communication was sub-par, the user was not at all professional, and the matter of the shipping, I now think a 4/5 would be a more reasonable and fair review of the sellers original service, I think I have been spoiled by the professionalism and promptness of my usual sellers such as PharmV, however I should probably realize not everyone has the means to run their operation so smoothly and efficiently, so yes my review may have been unreasonable but MosesYr1 never deserved a 5/5 that I am sure of.
In any case, my unreasonable review should not detract from the severely over-exaggerated response of the seller, If a seller on SR can not handle someone leaving a bad review in a mature manner they DO NOT deserve to be a seller on the site,
this is the bottom line.
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lulz on both sides. Business transactions should be left to adults. 8)
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lulz on both sides. Business transactions should be left to adults. 8)
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ugh, that fact that he is acting like he still has your address should be enough to have them banned. Either he still has it and is a major security risk, or he's very unprofessional (which may be the case anyway).
And even if he was serious, how would he know if that was really where you reside? Or that you'll have access to the address for more than a couple weeks? What if he ends up sending somebody to beat up an old lady? Not cool!
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Wow this is kinda scary, not the person in themselves, but I never thought a seller to use the address against someone. All in all he is most likely bluffing. How is he going to call cops from another state to inform on said situation without bringing attention to himself.
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Obviously the vender's behavior was completely out of line but really, you should be giving 5/5 unless the product
- Doesn't arrive
- Is bunk or completely different from the description
- Is the wrong amount
Maybe you're new to SR but giving a 5/5 is the same as leaving positive feedback on eBay. Even if you're not completely happy with the item, if it doesn't fit the terms above, giving 5/5 is what you're supposed to do. You can come and complain on the forums if you wish, either way. Sellers have no control over postage speed. Did the seller guarantee you would receive it within a certain time? I think not.
Don't want to make it sound like I'm taking the vender's side but you need to be aware of this stuff.
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How stupid do you have to be to think threatening a buyer over a rating is worth it? Sure it's possible you could scare them into changing their rating from a 3/5 to a 5/5, but if the buyer tells the forums everyone knows you're a crazy asshole and not to buy from you. On the other hand the vendor was right about leaving a 3/5 for a receiving product as described being unacceptable.
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you tried extort money or extra product with ratings, he threatened you with violence, you both sound like douchebags
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wow this is scary for both buyers and sellers. SR has many things to fix but both of you where unfair. I learned my lesson as a vendor to not act childish over someones reaction to my transactions but WOW!
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you tried extort money or extra product with ratings, he threatened you with violence, you both sound like douchebags
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@ the OP - You sound like a straight up asshole. Sorry your drugs didn't make it to you in a timely manner in the fucking mail. Oops, maybe next time the vendor can go straight up to the post office and tell them if the drugs he put in your pack aren't there within 3 days that he's gonna bomb the place?
Get real, dude. In a way you kind of deserved the threat he placed on you.
While you both are fucking douchebags you started this whole ordeal by basically saying "Since I DID receive my product and the product was satisfactory but it just wasnt here fast enough I want more product, fuck you." What a dick.
EDIT: OP - You ARE aware that half of the sorting facilities in the united states were shut down, right? MAIL ALL OVER THE NATION IS FUCKING SLOW.
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Ok both parties look bad and are in the wrong, point made.
However, a bitchy or hard to please customer should NOT mean threats like this. Unacceptable. This is why I laugh when sellers want you to use your real information. My real information will not go to ANYONE but long term, trusted sellers.
I'd never treat a seller like that but at the same time it wasn't anything but as little bitching and nothing should warrant a threat and any kind of threat should warrant a ban.
I have seen two posts like this recently about sellers talking about using buyer information to 'do something about them', quite frankley this is the #1 turn off of SR and I hope the admins show absolutely zero tolerance for threats like this.
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quite frankley this is the #1 turn off of SR and I hope the admins show absolutely zero tolerance for threats like this.
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id suggest that an outright ban and loss of ratings/reviews/ect might encourage the keyboard warrior to actually carry out their threat, but certainly something should be done about it
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Here we go again
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You're both idiots aas far as I'm concerned .
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i hate impatient buyers. "where's my package?" "still hasn't shown up yet!" "do you know when it will arrive?"
i dont fuckin know, what do you expect me to do? call the mailman and ask him why the fuck he's taking so long with your narcotics??
these effin buyers can't go a few days without their shit. i have a solution for you - order before your stash runs out, moron. plan ahead. expect the worst and hope for the best.
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i hate impatient buyers. "where's my package?" "still hasn't shown up yet!" "do you know when it will arrive?"
i dont fuckin know, what do you expect me to do? call the mailman and ask him why the fuck he's taking so long with your narcotics??
these effin buyers can't go a few days without their shit. i have a solution for you - order before your stash runs out, moron. plan ahead. expect the worst and hope for the best.
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Well, certainly sounds to me like you two deserve each other. You attempted to extort a "favor" from a vendor and the vendor threatened violence. Violence is never the answer but, really, what did you expect? It arrived within a week. That is entirely acceptable. Hell, I've had packages take up to ten days. Patience is a virtue.
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Perhaps guidelines on how to rate could be added to the feedback, as I am from the other side of the ocean a 14 day delivery is good and normal is 16-20 days, so I would never give less than a 5 unless, it was underweight or poor quality product. Remember we are dealing with one of the most inefficient services in the world (Government Postal Services not the Sellers). But before giving a poor rating would PM the vendor FIRST and try to resolve (may even get a freebie - but generally just honesty is sufficient). Even then I would probably just leave it between me and the seller, unless it appeared a complete scam ie non-delivery, and no answer to PM.
And the attitude and language used in some of these complaints (I am not a seller - but have read the forums), if it were a real-life seller, you WOULD end up in hospital, and not with some probably idle threat. Because you are dealing on the internet you should still show the same respect as a real person.
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EDIT: OP - You ARE aware that half of the sorting facilities in the united states were shut down, right? MAIL ALL OVER THE NATION IS FUCKING SLOW.
This is not true. That has been discussed but the closures have not been made yet.
The OP was miffed at the amount of time it took the seller to actually get his package shipped, not the amount of time the post office took in delivering it.
Obviously the vender's behavior was completely out of line but really, you should be giving 5/5 unless the product
- Doesn't arrive
- Is bunk or completely different from the description
- Is the wrong amount
Maybe you're new to SR but giving a 5/5 is the same as leaving positive feedback on eBay. Even if you're not completely happy with the item, if it doesn't fit the terms above, giving 5/5 is what you're supposed to do. You can come and complain on the forums if you wish, either way. Sellers have no control over postage speed. Did the seller guarantee you would receive it within a certain time? I think not.
Don't want to make it sound like I'm taking the vender's side but you need to be aware of this stuff.
I completely disagree with you. We have a 5 point scale to allow for some variance in ratings. What you are proposing sounds like we might as well have only a 1 or 0 option for leaving feedback. 1 if you got the product and 0 if you didn't. That is not the system Silk Road has put in place. We have 5 different options available to us as raters. I believe it is fair to take into consideration many other various things when determining feedback rather than just whether or not we received the product; the sellers communication, the speed with which the seller shipped the package (judged by postmark, not when in transit was marked, also considering whether or not the package actually WAS in transit when the seller said it was), the stealthiness of the packaging, and the quality of the product being the primary concerns which I factor into any given rating. Just because I got a sack of weed in the mail doesn't mean that seller deserves a 5/5 rating if I could smell weed when I opened my mailbox...
I do think the seller probably deserved a 4/5 rather than a 3/5 originally, but all bets are off now that he's gone apeshit...
For the record, of my 9 or so transactions, I have rated them all 5/5 even though I wasn't really happy with the internal packaging from one of the vendors. In that case the cannabis was only singly vacuum sealed, however I could not smell anything until the vacuum seal was broken so I did not deem that worthy of knocking off a point on the rating.
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I think this is a storm in a tea cup. The buyer is putting an exaggerated priority on shipping time, and the seller wants to maintain 100% at all costs. Although the messages look a bit nasty no doubt they were done in the heat of the moment, and being PMs they are easily misunderstood and it escalates out of control.
I have 3 buying accounts, one for me and two others for friends and have made about 20 purchases. I have given all 5/5 except one who got 1 because he was an obvious scam.
I have had one transaction that escalated totally out of control with a seller, a few weird things happened and we both came to believe each was LE, so it was quite abusive. Unfortunately we were both logged onto SR at the same time and about 10 messages went back and forth, each more accusing, dont remember if there was any threats but it did get nasty(have deleted all the posts). BTW we were both out of it, reading each others posts in forums and interpreting the worst. I got half way through a complaint to SR, then a bit of wisdom took over and decided to sleep on it. Reread next morning and saw we both acted like idiots, sent each other half-hearted apologies. And that was it. It was a mistake on both parts as this one is and not really much use to anyone else. I have discussed privately with a few people, but this was more a personallity conflict.
Things like this must happen all the time they should be kept between buyer/seller. Maybe a post such as
"Slow to ship took 7 days domestic. Product ???. Got upset at negative comments"
Then move onto the next vendor, there are plenty there and some that from their feedback have excellent turnaround
Not "PLEASE READ YOUR SAFETY IS AT RISK". The seller in all probability has no intention of carrying out threats, and just desparate because there doesn't seem to be much recourse for him, and he feels his reputation is threatened.
Then move onto the next vendor, there are plenty there and some that from their feedback have excellent turnaround
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This is why i carry a gun. It goes with me to the gym, the shower, and my bed.
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You should have given him a 5/5. He gave you everything he's obligated too, and QUICKLY too, you IMPATIENT little bitch (read my next paragraph tearing into you more please :) ).
Americans are the absolute worst i've noticed too, they want it there NOW (it's also all ME ME ME). You said it took 7 days ... so what? That's not a very long period of time, and WELL before the window of questionability (i'd say it'd be time to start worrying into the 3rd week maybe).
Then you tried to extort money/product out of him and you don't see the problem in this?
Also, that transcript you pasted was heavily edited. It's pretty damned obvious that you/spaghetti monster proof-read all of YOUR comments to correct grammar and whatnot (and you failed horrible as it's still full of errors). It's actually even pretty obvious that when you were altering the sentence structure you forgot there is tense in English, not to mention you of course had to be the nicest buyer in the world as displayed by your stupid transcript lol.
Actually come to think of it now, I don't think the vendor even spoke to you. I think your post has demonstrated enough (to me) that you're trying to extort more out of him by slandering him on the forums. I mean you did openly admit to extortion (you said you'd change it from 3/5 to 5/5 if he gives you something .... extortion) even as though you don't understand why doing what you did is a ... bad thing. An accusation that someone is going to use your private information (your address) against you is definitely going to garner a lot of attention as it has, not to mention your stupid thread subject . It's that fake transcript (and you openly extorting people) that have proven it to me.
If only there were a way to make people honest. Hey I could be wrong, and you didn't make anything up, but that still makes you a little pussy. 7 days, continue crying bud, that's not a very long period of time. Stop being American for a minute and be fucking patient (try being nice to people too, Americans definitely are NOT NICE PEOPLE). If you schedule your drug habit based on SR and 'need' your product within set days, then you're just a fool anyways.
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If only there were a way to make people honest. Hey I could be wrong, and you didn't make anything up, but that still makes you a little pussy. 7 days, continue crying bud, that's not a very long period of time. Stop being American for a minute and be fucking patient (try being nice to people too, Americans definitely are NOT NICE PEOPLE). If you schedule your drug habit based on SR and 'need' your product within set days, then you're just a fool anyways.
~320 million people, and we're all the same... :o
Foreigners are so silly. :P
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If only there were a way to make people honest. Hey I could be wrong, and you didn't make anything up, but that still makes you a little pussy. 7 days, continue crying bud, that's not a very long period of time. Stop being American for a minute and be fucking patient (try being nice to people too, Americans definitely are NOT NICE PEOPLE). If you schedule your drug habit based on SR and 'need' your product within set days, then you're just a fool anyways.
~320 million people, and we're all the same... :o
Foreigners are so silly. :P
burger-eating invasion-monkeys the lot of you
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If only there were a way to make people honest. Hey I could be wrong, and you didn't make anything up, but that still makes you a little pussy. 7 days, continue crying bud, that's not a very long period of time. Stop being American for a minute and be fucking patient (try being nice to people too, Americans definitely are NOT NICE PEOPLE). If you schedule your drug habit based on SR and 'need' your product within set days, then you're just a fool anyways.
~320 million people, and we're all the same... :o
Foreigners are so silly. :P
burger-eating invasion-monkeys the lot of you
Haters gonna hate. 8)
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i would have left 5/5. A vendor below 98 makes me worry automatically, so you have to really screw up to make me want to affect that. Slow shipping to me is like 2 weeks+, domestic. The one time I left 4/5, it took 14 days domestic, AND the product was not what was advertised. The price charged was well below going rate for said product, and what was actually sent was an acceptable although inferior substitute, and still worth the price paid.
Point is, if they don't do something to screw you over, give them a 5.
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Just give a 5/5 unless the product was AWFUL or took 2+ weeks to come.
If it didn't come leave 1/5.
He was probably pissed but still, he was leaving death threats with the purpose of actually threatening you...
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The seller in this case will need to be dealt with via SR Staff...
as for the shipping...
I agree with the majority of posters here. I won't even begin to discuss shipping till seven (7) Business days have elapsed.
Giving someone a 3/5 for a seven day ship time is bullshit.
Granted a 1-3 state distance should only take 3 days max there are still far too many problems that can arise that could extend that time and not all related to the seller.
As a seller I go out of my way to be communicative to my buyers and try my best to get packages out on time but sometimes it can be very time consuming... the other day I woke up and had 15 weed orders... that I only had 4 hours to get out due to other things I had scheduled for that day... (yes I have a life outside of SR). Most of you haven't a clue just how long it takes to get an order together...
<SHIT THAT HE SHOULDN'T HAVE POSTED>
all of that can take 4 -5 hours for 10 orders.
The point of this post is to show the average buyer that being a seller on SR is not just sitting back and making money... there i a LOT of work that goes into it behind the scenes.
Thanks!
TJ
Should probably try a glove that's not made of shit (latex) then. There are plenty, onto which no tape, DNA, etc. 'sticks'. When you work in a molecular biology lab you can't (and it would be stupid to) re-glove after every single step in a PCR amplification or any task done in that field. That's why you use good gloves, I typically would only re-glove after using some nasty chemical (eg. ethidium bromide) or if for some reason I hadn't prepared my gel's for the day, etc. You could save a tonne on glove money if you didn't suck dude lol.
You should probably also remove about 90% of your post (packing and shipping methodology) as that information should not be in a public forum
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Stop being American for a minute and be fucking patient (try being nice to people too, Americans definitely are NOT NICE PEOPLE). If you schedule your drug habit based on SR and 'need' your product within set days, then you're just a fool anyways.
It's too bad you feel that way, judging by your post, you'd fit right in with the lot of them
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Stop being American for a minute and be fucking patient (try being nice to people too, Americans definitely are NOT NICE PEOPLE). If you schedule your drug habit based on SR and 'need' your product within set days, then you're just a fool anyways.
It's too bad you feel that way, judging by your post, you'd fit right in with the lot of them
You're right. The stench that has emanated from the USA up to my country (Canada) has definitely partially mutated me into one of the emotionless, rude Americans. I was the nicest person until I had to come in regular contact with Americans, and I have a VEHEMENT hatred towards American's and their 'ideals' for the disgusting influence they've had on my life.
You're so smart man, fuck, if only you could go into every thread and act like it. OH WAIT YOU DO ! So do I, but my posts have CONTENT within them, information of value and evidence.
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I'm sorry you feel that way...
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For the record, and I'm not an American, America is the most generous country in the history of the entire human race on a private-association level.
As for this situation:
Buyer - you would be added to my "never sell to again" list immediately and I would be notifying other vendors that you are dropping 3/5's for slow shipping times, even though this topic is covered exhaustively by the community and there are over 2 weeks of allotted time for "in transit". Unless you explicitly paid for express shipping (<3 days), this does not warrant a dock on feedback, and even if you DID pay for express shipping, the only reason you should be docking feedback is if you couldn't work out some sort of refund to cover that aspect of the failed service (and mentioning that in your feedback or forum review).
Seller - I know you were probably pissed off at this buyer, however in business all of your customers have you by the balls. That is what makes business so philanthropic in actual function versus "public" or "charity" actions. You reacted to this like a bonehead, spoke like a twelve year old child, and were extremely unprofessional. Your actions give SR vendors on the whole a little less class and customer service rep.
You also threatened this buyer with the police. I don't actually believe that yet, since this is just a type up and I could easily type something up about anything at any time, which doesn't make it true. If you DID in fact make a threat like this, I recommend you be banned permanently from SR, and your account and outstanding assets on the site seized so it will be harder for you to come back and do it again. That is a no no. We are all here because we want to avoid the insane violence of the state, not wave the hammer over each others' heads.
Buyer: If you can produce a screenshot of this conversation and send it over to the .onion uploader, please do now. I would also recommend messaging SR and notifying them that a vendor threatened to send your information to police over a low feedback. They will review the conversation and take appropriate action - vendor accounts have been shut down for this before. Until this happens I say everything on the OP is complete bullshit. Period.
Seller: If this conversation turns out to be true, you really shouldn't be here anymore.....
Has anyone sent a mod over to this thread yet so the allegations can be looked into?
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For the record, and I'm not an American, America is the most generous country in the history of the entire human race on a private-association level.
As for this situation:
Buyer - you would be added to my "never sell to again" list immediately and I would be notifying other vendors that you are dropping 3/5's for slow shipping times, even though this topic is covered exhaustively by the community and there are over 2 weeks of allotted time for "in transit". Unless you explicitly paid for express shipping (<3 days), this does not warrant a dock on feedback, and even if you DID pay for express shipping, the only reason you should be docking feedback is if you couldn't work out some sort of refund to cover that aspect of the failed service (and mentioning that in your feedback or forum review).
Seller - I know you were probably pissed off at this buyer, however in business all of your customers have you by the balls. That is what makes business so philanthropic in actual function versus "public" or "charity" actions. You reacted to this like a bonehead, spoke like a twelve year old child, and were extremely unprofessional. Your actions give SR vendors on the whole a little less class and customer service rep.
You also threatened this buyer with the police. I don't actually believe that yet, since this is just a type up and I could easily type something up about anything at any time, which doesn't make it true. If you DID in fact make a threat like this, I recommend you be banned permanently from SR, and your account and outstanding assets on the site seized so it will be harder for you to come back and do it again. That is a no no. We are all here because we want to avoid the insane violence of the state, not wave the hammer over each others' heads.
Buyer: If you can produce a screenshot of this conversation and send it over to the .onion uploader, please do now. I would also recommend messaging SR and notifying them that a vendor threatened to send your information to police over a low feedback. They will review the conversation and take appropriate action - vendor accounts have been shut down for this before. Until this happens I say everything on the OP is complete bullshit. Period.
Seller: If this conversation turns out to be true, you really shouldn't be here anymore.....
Has anyone sent a mod over to this thread yet so the allegations can be looked into?
Sounds good to me.
I posted another thread on the rating system and I am kind of confused, do we leave ratings for it getting here or for false advertising or what? It seems like the majority of people here feel that if it arrives it should be a five no matter what and that seems silly to me just because who is to know who has a higher quality of product and who isn't? At that point you're just going by a seller description and a picture.
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I wonder if people actually even read the entire thread before they post. The OP stated that his package didn't even ship until 6 days after it was purchased, and arrived 4 days later for a total of 10 days. How is it that he isn't justified in leaving at least a 4/5? Taking 6 days for the buyer to mail a package is completely unacceptable! It's obvious that he must have finalized early, because after 4 days, you can cancel the order, which is what he should have done.
I'm not saying that OP was right for making this thread, in fact, he sounds like a complete idiot, but I do think that he had the right to leave less than 5/5. As for the seller, he should definitely be banned for making such a threat! Buyers personal info is the biggest weakness on SR, and for someone to threaten to use that negatively should not be tolerated in any way whatsoever!
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For the record, and I'm not an American, America is the most generous country in the history of the entire human race on a private-association level.
As for this situation:
Buyer - you would be added to my "never sell to again" list immediately and I would be notifying other vendors that you are dropping 3/5's for slow shipping times, even though this topic is covered exhaustively by the community and there are over 2 weeks of allotted time for "in transit". Unless you explicitly paid for express shipping (<3 days), this does not warrant a dock on feedback, and even if you DID pay for express shipping, the only reason you should be docking feedback is if you couldn't work out some sort of refund to cover that aspect of the failed service (and mentioning that in your feedback or forum review).
Seller - I know you were probably pissed off at this buyer, however in business all of your customers have you by the balls. That is what makes business so philanthropic in actual function versus "public" or "charity" actions. You reacted to this like a bonehead, spoke like a twelve year old child, and were extremely unprofessional. Your actions give SR vendors on the whole a little less class and customer service rep.
You also threatened this buyer with the police. I don't actually believe that yet, since this is just a type up and I could easily type something up about anything at any time, which doesn't make it true. If you DID in fact make a threat like this, I recommend you be banned permanently from SR, and your account and outstanding assets on the site seized so it will be harder for you to come back and do it again. That is a no no. We are all here because we want to avoid the insane violence of the state, not wave the hammer over each others' heads.
Buyer: If you can produce a screenshot of this conversation and send it over to the .onion uploader, please do now. I would also recommend messaging SR and notifying them that a vendor threatened to send your information to police over a low feedback. They will review the conversation and take appropriate action - vendor accounts have been shut down for this before. Until this happens I say everything on the OP is complete bullshit. Period.
Seller: If this conversation turns out to be true, you really shouldn't be here anymore.....
Has anyone sent a mod over to this thread yet so the allegations can be looked into?
Sounds good to me.
I posted another thread on the rating system and I am kind of confused, do we leave ratings for it getting here or for false advertising or what? It seems like the majority of people here feel that if it arrives it should be a five no matter what and that seems silly to me just because who is to know who has a higher quality of product and who isn't? At that point you're just going by a seller description and a picture.
The general understanding, especially for something like cannabis, is that if you got the product safely and it was even decent that a 5/5. The local rating systems for cannabis are all over the map on a national or international scale. The stuff that I call "mid" up here in my area of Canada sells for higher than our AAA prices in most of the US (which creates a nice arbitrage opportunity for buyers in the states ;) ), and is regarded as at least AA+ in many areas of the states. My Jack Herer is considered a "low AAA" up here, but it's considered killer AAA in most places.
I don't think a lot of buyers understand what it takes as a vendor to handle customers from all over the world making inquiries, trying to haggle, bulk order requests, custom order requests, constantly changing product lines and sourcing, packaging in a damned hazmat suit, etc. It's a second job, and a rigorous one at that. The best vendors bust our bags off to do a good job, and if you get the package and it's what you ordered (outside of the subjective good/bad, and aside from measurable claims like %purity with cocaine or what-not), it should be a 5/5. If you pay overnight or 2-day-express shipping on top of the item price and the vendor takes a week to get it to you, try to work out a refund on that before docking the feedback. If you get the refund, it's a 5/5 and you can note in your feedback "vendor was supposed to ship express, didn't - refunded extra fee so worked out" or something along those lines.
The subjective issues like your perception of product quality should be reserved for the forums. If you think VendorX123's [product] sucks or isn't what was advertised, post up a thread in the Rumor Mill forum section. That's what it's for. You can get corroboration from other buyers (or be called out for b/s from the same) and see where the rest of your ilk are at.
All I know is if a buyer under-rates me for what I deem to be a trivial reason, they get added to my "never-again" list and any vendor who inquires after them will not be hearing nice things. this is a two way street, and - outside of scammers or lazy bums - vendors work very hard to get you your product, and we still bear the heavy side of the sentencing if we are careless enough to leave prints or hair in a package and the violent parasites come after us.
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I think its obvious the only solution is to have an interview process for new sellers, No crazy fucking idiots allowed, although a 4/5 maybe would have done better but its a little mentally unstable or childish to threaten someone with the cops like that,
tehcnically you know where the seller is from so if you want to stoop to his level... JK
be reasonable people saying yes to shipping the same day when you cant is irresponsible, your car got stolen huh how convenient....
Any vendor who threatens like that should be Banned On Site and their exit nodes recorded to never come back to this place
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Any vendor who threatens like that should be Banned On Site and their exit nodes recorded to never come back to this place
Nope, can't do that. Why? What actual proof can be offered? It's hearsay. Not only that, but a competing vendors could use this as a weapon against other competing vendors by posing as a buyer and claiming the seller threatened them in this way. Hell, even LEO could also use it as a weapon to get a seller banned.
Easiest way to avoid getting oneself in this situation? Don't be an asshat to a seller.
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I don't believe conjecture and "Transcripts" in a thread, but it should be pointed out to a mod so they can look into the actual conversation history over on SR and see what's up. Vendors have been banned for making threats like this before and it should be standard practice to do so. There's enough shit to worry about without the guy who's got your personal information going Sword of Damocles on you...
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I dont think Sword of Demacles is relavant in this case, regarding the risk the seller poses, it would be for the buyer to understand the sellers situation
Dionysius (II) was a fourth century B.C. tyrant of Syracuse, a city in Magna Graecia, the Greek area of southern Italy. To all appearances Dionysius was very rich and comfortable, with all the luxuries money could buy, tasteful clothing and jewelry, and delectable food. He even had court flatterers (adsentatores) to inflate his ego. One of these ingratiators was the court sycophant, Damocles. Damocles used to make comments to the king about his wealth and luxurious life. One day when Damocles complimented the tyrant on his abundance and power, Dionysius turned to Damocles and said, "If you think I'm so lucky, how would you like to try out my life?"
Damocles readily agreed, and so Dionysius ordered everything to be prepared for Damocles to experience what life as Dionysius was like. Damocles was enjoying himself immensely... until he noticed a sharp sword hovering over his head, that was suspended from the ceiling by a horse hair. This, the tyrant explained to Damocles, was what life as ruler was really like.
Damocles, alarmed, quickly revised his idea of what made up a good life, and asked to be excused. He then eagerly returned to his poorer, but safer life.
Perhaps you should have sent the seller going Postal or something similar.
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rofl... seriously? Story context aside, I would think a sword suspended over someone's head by a horse-hair was a pretty good metaphor for how much unprovoked and aggressive violence can smash down on you ala your benevolent overlords, and how in this case that tiny hair might well be the whim of the seller.
going postal........................................................................
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I wonder if people actually even read the entire thread before they post. The OP stated that his package didn't even ship until 6 days after it was purchased, and arrived 4 days later for a total of 10 days. How is it that he isn't justified in leaving at least a 4/5? Taking 6 days for the buyer to mail a package is completely unacceptable! It's obvious that he must have finalized early, because after 4 days, you can cancel the order, which is what he should have done.
I'm not saying that OP was right for making this thread, in fact, he sounds like a complete idiot, but I do think that he had the right to leave less than 5/5. As for the seller, he should definitely be banned for making such a threat! Buyers personal info is the biggest weakness on SR, and for someone to threaten to use that negatively should not be tolerated in any way whatsoever!
This !
A slightly decreased rating in this case is imho absolutely reasonable to deflect the rather long shipping time. Of course not talking about a 1/5 but a 4/5... 3/5 is discussable...
Sellers behavior is ABSOLUTE no-go....
My point.....
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Grow up punks life is too short to be a douchebag.
:)
nomad bloodbath