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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: meatmachinemonsterman on February 21, 2012, 05:43 pm
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It's been well over 2 weeks and I have yet to receive my order I placed during the feel the love sale from HybridMike. He has also not been online in 4 days. During the sale he was asking everyone to finalize early then kept making excuses about why orders hadn't gone out yet. Anyone else starting to feel like he pulled a grand scale scam then left SR for good?
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it seems a bit fishy, which is terrible because i really liked him. hopefully this is all a miscommunication and he won't pull a CFMF on us. that being said, i place an order a few days after the sell and was having great comm., setup and placed my special LARGE order and now nothing... because he was trusted i even did a P2P funds transfer for the majority of my order. should have seen the red flags... but i have no one to blame but myself. here's to hoping.
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hopefully this is all a miscommunication and he won't pull a CFMF on us.
What does CFMF mean? O:
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CantFeelMyFace was a reputable vendor until one day he cut and ran with many people's coin without filling an order or giving warning. short story.
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I ordered a 1/2 gram a couple days after the weekend sale with priority mail and I got my package. He is probably just swamped.
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i really hope not, i really like HM. i hope that this will all blow over, just wish he would make some contact. i can understand being swamped and sick, it'd just be nice to get an update as i have ~$1000USD on him.
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hopefully this is all a miscommunication and he won't pull a CFMF on us.
What does CFMF mean? O:
Cantfeelmyface also was on the top 10 vendors 500+ transactions. He was finalize early vendor too. Only difference with him he kept his listing up and ppl finalized early for three weeks before anybody caught on. CFMF cash out big time. I bet scammed over $10,000 in ppls money.
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I got my order from HM. I started making the deal on the friday prior to the weekend sale. My funds didnt show until the monday, and HM and I communicated alot during sunday into monday, and my order was a special that he put up and told me to grab quick which I did. It took longer then expected to arrive - and I got a little spooked but I got it in about a week!
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I got my order from HM.
hey - good to hear that you got it :) makes me hoping
when did you order it and it arrives today?
that would help other members which order from HM...
would b great if you give an update - thx to you
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I also may have been scammed by HM.
Has anyone received a package from HM recently? It seems that many orders were received shortly after the sale but not immediately after the sale.
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all coke from every seller on silk road SUCKS. Be glad you didnt get it.
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i don't have as much tied up with him as some other people but i still haven't felt the love. id give him til the end of this week before yelling scammer. 4 days offline raises eyebrows. i think people have a right to be a little pissed. this ain't your local pharmacy but SR sure seems like something you can rely on with the right people. if its a scam it'd be my first but some more communication besides his page update would be nice. didn't DPR insert a bulk reply option?
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he did a bulk reply the same day he updated his profile, with the same story that is on his profile. i have heard two people profess that he gave this same excuse a few months ago. a few days before this he did another bulk reply to all orders asking us to pre-finalize so he could buy product, i have done business with him before and he was great so i didn't have much reservation to it. this is my own fault. i am just hoping to hear from him, as his orders seem to be trickling in to some...
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I'm also waiting on an order. It was my first deal with HM but he had such good rep on SR and the forum that I didn't really hesitate to finalize early. I guess anyone knows when you play this game you are bound to take losses. I just hope this isn't one of them. It really would suck to see something that was meant to reward the community set it back like this.
I know on the listing he said he wouldn't be shipping until 2/8 at the earliest, even though the listing ended a few days earlier. That still puts it around 10 business days with no delivery and little communication. I'm going to hold out hope for a bit more on this one. I've seen longer shipping times from sellers operating normally. Does that mean I'm pleased with it, No. But aside from learning a lesson there's not much else I can do.
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Build up a reputation,great service,great personality (((finalize early))) rip off many
change user name
start over
repeat
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
We as buyers can demand escrow NO MATTER who the vendor is
enough people do this would eliminate hit and run scammers...just saying
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add me to the list of waiting. sucks. shouldn't offer product for sale that you don't have/can't get. very bozo t. clown maneuver.
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That sucks. I didn't have any trouble the couple times I ordered. Hopefully there's a good reason for the delay. He always seemed legit, and it's such a waste to ruin a good account for some quick money now when you can make so much more staying honest. Sum Yum Gai and SR Discount Pharmacy pulled similar scams when they left. The only way to protect yourself is to avoid finalizing early.
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it sounds like the people who ordered with Priority shipping have by and large gotten their orders.
Which, if he were scamming a percentage of the rest of us, makes sense:
-He got out the orders to those who expect it in 2-4 days.
-Built good feedback from those orders
-That bought plenty of time to screw the regular post buyers.
-The regular post chumps will be waiting weeks before crying foul, (Myself included), thus buying him plenty of time to cut and run.
He even noted on his page: "realize that it's very easy for a vendor to just walk away with everyone's money".....
what kind of effed up mess is that to mention?
He told me via message he had "just come back from posting my order" on Feb 6th. I doubt it will arrive.
If it does, I'll gladly update...but I doubt that will happen.
Lesson learned. From now on I'm only FE for one vendor and that's Ivory who is great and the best MDMA vendor in the world :)
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He owes me 2 8-balls from this sale and I hope he is just just swamped. I have ordered 4 times from him before and never had a problem. I will give it another 2 weeks then I have to decide if I want to spend the time and energy to find him.
I know I can. He isn't exactly Mr.Stealth despite his clever packaging. I was able to trace the postmark on 3 of my old orders to a post office and the last one was to another small post office. He has also given a lot of details about his life in his profile. I also know the source of one of his supplies. (I don't want to put details on here but if anyone is interested we can collaborate someplace else)
Those details may be lies but its a starting point. I just don't know if I want to spend the time doing it or if I should just take the loss.
BTW. I used to be a seller until I realized how much to can learn from a person from an envelope.
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He owes me 2 8-balls from this sale and I hope he is just just swamped. I have ordered 4 times from him before and never had a problem. I will give it another 2 weeks then I have to decide if I want to spend the time and energy to find him.
I know I can. He isn't exactly Mr.Stealth despite his clever packaging. I was able to trace the postmark on 3 of my old orders to a post office and the last one was to another small post office. He has also given a lot of details about his life in his profile. I also know the source of one of his supplies. (I don't want to put details on here but if anyone is interested we can collaborate someplace else)
Those details may be lies but its a starting point. I just don't know if I want to spend the time doing it or if I should just take the loss.
BTW. I used to be a seller until I realized how much to can learn from a person from an envelope.
The problem with this is I sometimes drive 50 miles to drop packages off.
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Yup....I'm still waiting too for my package. Glad I didnt invest too much in his product but still sucks nonetheless....was looking forward to a little party...I guess I will look elsewhere.
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The problem with this is I sometimes drive 50 miles to drop packages off.
The fact he used the same post office 3 times leads me to believe he didn't. If I could just trace a couple other postmarks I would have a range.
If I could get a 50 mile area with no major cities there are some very scarey tools I have access to. These aren't even law enforcement or spy tools. They are data tools used to canvas areas and target market used by marketing companies and political re-redistricting.
and this is without the clues in his profile. If the flood story is true a cheap P.I would be able to find him with just the postmarks I have.
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Yup....I'm still waiting too for my package. Glad I didnt invest too much in his product but still sucks nonetheless....was looking forward to a little party...I guess I will look elsewhere.
same here...that sucks, and that was my first attempt to buy something on SR :(
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all coke from every seller on silk road SUCKS. Be glad you didnt get it.
My experience with cocaine was with Paperchasing. That shit was as raw as it gets. Ordered an ounce after that and went through that in one night. Worth it. Never did coke again though. XD
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He owes me 2 8-balls from this sale and I hope he is just just swamped. I have ordered 4 times from him before and never had a problem. I will give it another 2 weeks then I have to decide if I want to spend the time and energy to find him.
I know I can. He isn't exactly Mr.Stealth despite his clever packaging. I was able to trace the postmark on 3 of my old orders to a post office and the last one was to another small post office. He has also given a lot of details about his life in his profile. I also know the source of one of his supplies. (I don't want to put details on here but if anyone is interested we can collaborate someplace else)
Those details may be lies but its a starting point. I just don't know if I want to spend the time doing it or if I should just take the loss.
BTW. I used to be a seller until I realized how much to can learn from a person from an envelope.
I used google earth and traced the address on his envelope, you can get a street view image of the building he's in. For all the money he's taken and not communicated nor sent out packages, I wouldn't blame you to go find him. See if you can find my Dilaudids down there while you're at it....
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This sucks, hydridmike seemed like a decent vender prior to this nonsense. I am also waiting on an order from the sale, luckily i only placed a small order so im not out a ton of money, but to those waiting 8balls and larger orders, that sucks really bad if dude took everyone cash n bounced. I never NEVER finalize early with anyone even the best of the best i dont like to finalize early, and for this dumb sale, i finalized early. My previous order with hybridmike was actually kinda slow getting to me, i think it took him a while to get out. Who knows maybe something happened.
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The dealings I had with him were always cool. Its really gonna suck if he did fuck everybody like that. I say give him a couple of more days to defend himself. If he doesnt then Ill just have to stick with MIN, USD, TV or GOA.
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He owes me 2 8-balls from this sale and I hope he is just just swamped. I have ordered 4 times from him before and never had a problem. I will give it another 2 weeks then I have to decide if I want to spend the time and energy to find him.
I know I can. He isn't exactly Mr.Stealth despite his clever packaging. I was able to trace the postmark on 3 of my old orders to a post office and the last one was to another small post office. He has also given a lot of details about his life in his profile. I also know the source of one of his supplies. (I don't want to put details on here but if anyone is interested we can collaborate someplace else)
Those details may be lies but its a starting point. I just don't know if I want to spend the time doing it or if I should just take the loss.
BTW. I used to be a seller until I realized how much to can learn from a person from an envelope.
I used google earth and traced the address on his envelope, you can get a street view image of the building he's in. For all the money he's taken and not communicated nor sent out packages, I wouldn't blame you to go find him. See if you can find my Dilaudids down there while you're at it....
I hope you dont actually believe that he is shipping from the same address that is post marked on his packages...
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Okay so its been 30 days since i placed an order with HM and finalized early. It never came i contacted him and he promised to reimburse me with extra and guaranteed it 2 weekends ago. It never came. I see that a few people who has placed orders after me has gotten their stuff. What do i do to get my money back? Ive been extremely patient but now its beyond sketch! I feel betrayed. 30 days cmon!
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No matter their rep, never finalize early. If they require it, move on. A vendor worth his/her salt is financed enough to not require early finalization.
If you're a newbie, find a vendor who doesn't require early finalization. If there are none for your DOC(drug of choice), then order as small as you can and only what you can afford to lose. Or order from other vendors a different drug or item that you may not have an interest in and use that to build a buyer history. It's better losing money with something you may not need but have, than losing money and having nothing to show for it.
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He owes me 2 8-balls from this sale and I hope he is just just swamped. I have ordered 4 times from him before and never had a problem. I will give it another 2 weeks then I have to decide if I want to spend the time and energy to find him.
I know I can. He isn't exactly Mr.Stealth despite his clever packaging. I was able to trace the postmark on 3 of my old orders to a post office and the last one was to another small post office. He has also given a lot of details about his life in his profile. I also know the source of one of his supplies. (I don't want to put details on here but if anyone is interested we can collaborate someplace else)
Those details may be lies but its a starting point. I just don't know if I want to spend the time doing it or if I should just take the loss.
BTW. I used to be a seller until I realized how much to can learn from a person from an envelope.
I used google earth and traced the address on his envelope, you can get a street view image of the building he's in. For all the money he's taken and not communicated nor sent out packages, I wouldn't blame you to go find him. See if you can find my Dilaudids down there while you're at it....
derp.
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i'm sure the account has been cleaned out, but if not it'd be great if SR staff could put a hold on the funds/account until this is straightened out...
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after reading all these posts, i've gained a bit of sad comfort from knowing i wasn't the only one. the order i placed with HB on feb 6th was actually my first attempt at using silk road. and after reading all of HB's previous glowing reviews, i felt comfortable finalizing early. now it all seems very fishy. of course, i've written him numerous times, like everyone else and nada. zip. no reply. i was assuming my package was confiscated but now it appears that there has been a robbery. who knows. i wish for the sake of all of us that wasn't the reality but who knows. i feel like a fool and i guess the veterans of silkroad know to NVER finalize early regardless of who the vendor is. glad i had only released a bit more than a hundred bucks.
live and learn, y'all!
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Dont count him out just yet. He had tons of orders and a number of us did get our orders. He might just be having troubles sourcing it for the rest. He isnt loggin in because all he would be doing is dealing with messages. He has everyones order/address on his computer and his probably just going to fill them when he can.
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i really hope that is all it is, i really liked HM. he was a cool guy, and a good vendor. i even enjoyed BS'n with him. i mean i really hope he is okay, as much as i do hope it is something rather than just a cut and run... here's to hoping...
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Dont count him out just yet. He had tons of orders and a number of us did get our orders. He might just be having troubles sourcing it for the rest. He isnt loggin in because all he would be doing is dealing with messages. He has everyones order/address on his computer and his probably just going to fill them when he can.
I'm with you on that. I'm not calling HM scammer yet. If I remember correctly back a few months ago his listing stated that it may take up to a month to get your order. He could have kept his listing and keep cashing in on his orders like CFMF did, but he didn't. I think he will eventually come thru.....I hope.
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He very well could have been busted. Not necessarily related to SR either; who knows what kind of dealings he did/does IRL. People who make their living from cocaine tend to have greater odds to end up getting relocated by our beloved government. I never ordered from him, but what I've gathered is that he didn't run the tightest ship. Handwritten labels, apparently frequent use of the same postal district, etc. Plus the whole FE thing...that should be a red flag, obviously people will NEVER learn. If you need people to finalize early just to keep your biz afloat, it just goes to show that he either lacked the small amount of discipline necessary to build working capital or was unwilling to put skin in the game. A vendor who doesn't require FE signals that they are invested in the outcome as much as you are. But like I said, people will never learn, it's truly amazing to me...
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He very well could have been busted. Not necessarily related to SR either; who knows what kind of dealings he did/does IRL. People who make their living from cocaine tend to have greater odds to end up getting relocated by our beloved government. I never ordered from him, but what I've gathered is that he didn't run the tightest ship. Handwritten labels, apparently frequent use of the same postal district, etc. Plus the whole FE thing...that should be a red flag, obviously people will NEVER learn. If you need people to finalize early just to keep your biz afloat, it just goes to show that he either lacked the small amount of discipline necessary to build working capital or was unwilling to put skin in the game. A vendor who doesn't require FE signals that they are invested in the outcome as much as you are. But like I said, people will never learn, it's truly amazing to me...
You've got the wrong impression. Before this Feel The Love sale bullshit, Mike was one of the best. He was ranked #16 on SR. He only asked new people to finalize early, to protect himself from getting scammed, but MY first order with him he didn't ask me to. Also, the handwritten labels I don't see as a problem. For the way he ships, I think it would look silly with printed labels on it. Sometimes they stick out more than some ball-point pen scribbling. A handwritten label looks like a letter from your grandma. Some printed labels I've got just look like "I'm trying to look like a business/company/junkmail letter, but I'm obviously not, and this label is a flimsy attempt". Anyway, I'm pissed at Mike right now. But I didn't like how you were talking about him, nor insulting all of his customers. "People will never learn". When it's a trusted, tried and true vendor, you can usually rest assured to be safe, and a lot of people finalize early for their favorite vendors simply out of respect. I for one do my diligent research before placing an order. And if I know I might have to FE, I make sure that the vendor has a lot more going for them than their profile says-- meaning, I check the forums and make sure at least 5 Senior Members vouch for them, along with countless Full and Juniors.
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Dont count him out just yet. He had tons of orders and a number of us did get our orders. He might just be having troubles sourcing it for the rest. He isnt loggin in because all he would be doing is dealing with messages. He has everyones order/address on his computer and his probably just going to fill them when he can.
See, I had this same approach at first too. I was sticking up for him and calming down the "SCAMMER!" hysteria. But here's why I'm starting to doubt him: When I dealt with him, ordering Dilaudid, before-- he always told me "No Problem, the Dilaudids go out the day I process the order because I have them on hand. No FE needed". But for the sale, he requested FE. Understandable, he had a lot of orders. But I would've assumed the Dilaudid would be one of the first to go out. His "Everything will go out by THIS date at the latest, I promise guys!" date was a week and a half ago now, and usually I get his packages in 4 days. Also, since one of his big excuses is "My coke dealer was sick with the same flu too" (How convenient), that still doesn't explain why my pill which he has on hand still hasn't been shipped. He hasn't even mentioned the pills. And I don't know THIS for a fact, but I read a few times that he's used the SAME exact excuses a few months ago (sick with the flu, car broke down, busted pipes)
So I'm starting to think I'm not getting my drugs. For one, when I'm sick in bed, I can still get on a laptop. And if I had 200 orders backed up, I would ship out whatever I have in stock asap to lighten the load. (Since he had to wait on more Coke, you'd think he'd wanna get all the pill orders out of the way in the meantime). And, if the orders exceeded his supply by such a vast amount, and he's so overwhelmed by them, he should've cut them off at a certain point.
Although I do agree with your explanation as to why he hasn;t been online in so long. He has no listings and would just have 500 angry messages. STILL, at the very least SIGNING ON to put people at more ease. Idk, but we shall see... If nothing shows up by this Saturday (4 weeks since order), then I'm convinced he took my money. Only about 60 bucks, so I'm not too upset about THAT, I'm more upset about the fact that he abused everyone's trust.
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He owes me 2 8-balls from this sale and I hope he is just just swamped. I have ordered 4 times from him before and never had a problem. I will give it another 2 weeks then I have to decide if I want to spend the time and energy to find him.
I know I can. He isn't exactly Mr.Stealth despite his clever packaging. I was able to trace the postmark on 3 of my old orders to a post office and the last one was to another small post office. He has also given a lot of details about his life in his profile. I also know the source of one of his supplies. (I don't want to put details on here but if anyone is interested we can collaborate someplace else)
Those details may be lies but its a starting point. I just don't know if I want to spend the time doing it or if I should just take the loss.
BTW. I used to be a seller until I realized how much to can learn from a person from an envelope.
I used google earth and traced the address on his envelope, you can get a street view image of the building he's in. For all the money he's taken and not communicated nor sent out packages, I wouldn't blame you to go find him. See if you can find my Dilaudids down there while you're at it....
derp.
herp derp.
That was a sarcasm-laced post due to the anger I felt at seeing another empty mailbox. 3 weeks for a domestic shipment of a pill he has on hand is frustrating. :-[
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I was going through my "files" from past orders with people to see if I had any more stuff I can trace and I found an old package from about 6 months ago that I thought was empty. It wasn't a HM order.
It was a pot lollipop. I had ordered 5 from a vendor and I guess because the order was so delayed he stuck an extra one in and I didn't notice till today.
just a little happy story to pass on.
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Well, as another potential victim with over $1000 invested in HM, I'm surprisingly calm at the moment. :-\
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Interesting that some finalize early out of respect for the vendor. Never thought of it that way.
But with an escrow system, why not just finalize as soon as you get it? That's what I do. And I only deal with trusted vendors. My POV is, trust and respect is a two way street. They trust me to finalize on receipt and I trust them that the quality will be good before use.
Besides, a serious vendor will be well capitalized such that they don't need anyone to finalize early. And that's really who you want to do business with. It ensures consistent results and that they are serious about the business and their own security. Maintaining an inventory is risky business.
I really wish people would stop finalizing early and use the escrow system for what it is intended for. We'd see a lot less of these sad tales of woo and loss. It's sad when this happens to people. Especially since it can be avoided.
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Interesting that some finalize early out of respect for the vendor. Never thought of it that way.
But with an escrow system, why not just finalize as soon as you get it? That's what I do. And I only deal with trusted vendors. My POV is, trust and respect is a two way street. They trust me to finalize on receipt and I trust them that the quality will be good before use.
Besides, a serious vendor will be well capitalized such that they don't need anyone to finalize early. And that's really who you want to do business with. It ensures consistent results and that they are serious about the business and their own security. Maintaining an inventory is risky business.
I really wish people would stop finalizing early and use the escrow system for what it is intended for. We'd see a lot less of these sad tales of woo and loss. It's sad when this happens to people. Especially since it can be avoided.
As a vendor its great when people finalize early. If someone doesn't fe it takes about 7 days to get your funds from when the purchase was made. I always finalize early on my purchases from reputable vendors, because I know what a pain it is to wait. The worst are the buyers who purchase and don't log in for a week or two, you know they got it 4 days after the purchase but you have to wait 10 for them to finalize. But in regards to HM, I talked to him asking if I would be able to get my delivery before the weekend, he said that he was spending his cash to buy a small amount to fill the priority/overnight packages. Then once he got the rest out from bit-coins he would purchase bulk to fill the others. Maybe with such bulk his account got flagged and he had to provide info to withdrawal or a multitude of issues could have occurred.
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My experience with cocaine was with Paperchasing. That shit was as raw as it gets. Ordered an ounce after that and went through that in one night. Worth it. Never did coke again though. XD
You and what army?
An ounce of coke in one night?!?
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I saw that HM has some new feedback regarding the sale. Has anybody recently received an order from HM?
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My experience with cocaine was with Paperchasing. That shit was as raw as it gets. Ordered an ounce after that and went through that in one night. Worth it. Never did coke again though. XD
You and what army?
An ounce of coke in one night?!?
WTF No shit you never did it again, you're dead lol
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Interesting that some finalize early out of respect for the vendor. Never thought of it that way.
But with an escrow system, why not just finalize as soon as you get it? That's what I do. And I only deal with trusted vendors. My POV is, trust and respect is a two way street. They trust me to finalize on receipt and I trust them that the quality will be good before use.
Besides, a serious vendor will be well capitalized such that they don't need anyone to finalize early. And that's really who you want to do business with. It ensures consistent results and that they are serious about the business and their own security. Maintaining an inventory is risky business.
I really wish people would stop finalizing early and use the escrow system for what it is intended for. We'd see a lot less of these sad tales of woo and loss. It's sad when this happens to people. Especially since it can be avoided.
As a vendor its great when people finalize early. If someone doesn't fe it takes about 7 days to get your funds from when the purchase was made. I always finalize early on my purchases from reputable vendors, because I know what a pain it is to wait. The worst are the buyers who purchase and don't log in for a week or two, you know they got it 4 days after the purchase but you have to wait 10 for them to finalize. But in regards to HM, I talked to him asking if I would be able to get my delivery before the weekend, he said that he was spending his cash to buy a small amount to fill the priority/overnight packages. Then once he got the rest out from bit-coins he would purchase bulk to fill the others. Maybe with such bulk his account got flagged and he had to provide info to withdrawal or a multitude of issues could have occurred.
I see where you're coming from. That's also why if the option for Express or Priority Mail is available I choose it. Then I finalize on receipt of package. I never wait many hours or even days to do so. The vendor did their part, now I do mine.
The thing about finalizing early, even with respectable vendors, is that the buyer assumes risk that they don't have to bear. Anything can happen to a vendor. He/she could get sick, have real life issues, or even have gotten pinched by LEO. I'm sure many vendors here also sell IRL, F2F. That's why the escrow system exists.
But I am seeing more and more why buyers finalize early. As long as they understand the risk in doing so.
Though if they would use the escrow system more, you'd still see threads like this, but it wouldn't be because they lost money or potentially stand to lose money. It will be because they are wondering where their stuff is and how they are disappointed because they planned on getting high this weekend.
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all coke from every seller on silk road SUCKS. Be glad you didnt get it.
My experience with cocaine was with Paperchasing. That shit was as raw as it gets. Ordered an ounce after that and went through that in one night. Worth it. Never did coke again though. XD
AN OUNCE IN ONE NIGHT
YOU HAVE LOST ANY CREDIBILITY YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD...
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Well, that may be overstating it. They probably just mixed up "gram" and "ounce".
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Add me to the list from the scam sale. I will NEVER FE again.
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Alls Im gonna say is Im glad i said fuck no! to his request finalize early. I ordered on Feb 5th, and its been in resolutions now for a week. That said I hope it shows up tommorow, if not, a refund!
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My experience with cocaine was with Paperchasing. That shit was as raw as it gets. Ordered an ounce after that and went through that in one night. Worth it. Never did coke again though. XD
You and what army?
An ounce of coke in one night?!?
WTF No shit you never did it again, you're dead lol
Lol i was thinking the same thing! #scratchhead.
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still no log in to update anyone :( i think its fair to say hes either dead, busted or turned scammer
lets say 200 orders, average of 150 per order = $30,000
not a bad weekend!
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So i posted earlier that i have been waiting for over 30 days for a g. After 10 days i asked him what was up and he said he would hook me up and a this weekend guarantee(3 weeks ago). So has he been planning this for over a month now? Ive been seeing feedback from other people so why me? I was really hoping to have a good relationship with him and that white girl. Im still giving him benefit of the doubt and hoping everything will be alright.
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first post from a newbie waiting for bitcoin:
Looked around the forums and found HM. Liked how he discussed his view of being a responsible/reliable vendor. Sent him a PM asking if he could be my mentor to becoming a safe and happy buyer. He was just starting this sale that has apparently gone awry. He cracked a joke, welcomed me to SR, told me how to get bitcoins. I was really hoping to return the favor by trying my first buy with him. Hope he is still just packing product and sending it out to those waiting. As each day passes and no new posts show up from customers who finally received their long-awaited blow, I am saddened but relieved that my first experience wasn't with him. If he makes good on this fiasco, I will probably still order something from him but have learned from you good folk that "finalizing early" is to be avoided and, despite the added cost, "escrow" is a good idea. It has been difficult to get any bitcoins into my account ordering from BTCbuddy: I guess he is having some sort of trouble himself: he canceled my order. Went to SugarMomma and have been waiting 5 days now. The waiting has allowed me to learn about and download GPG encryption program (still haven't finished making a private key or sent any encrypted messages), become clear on different methods of bitcoin acquisition, and make up crazy names for all my new accounts on SR and Tormail and forums. Got so many new passwords floating around in my head to populate a crazy novel full of nutcases.
I've learned from this forum that TV has consistently high quality. I think that is where I'll go first. The cost of ordering seems to involve significant fees for bitcoin exchange, putting the bitcoins in escrow, markups for the folks who run SR. I hope its all worth it.
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guys...
As much as we all want to hope n believe.... i think the deep set reality is that its ge-gone :(
think about it. if he was able to, he would either hop on and say, relax kids, its going to be late but coming...
he may have either had something happen to him, like being busted, or lying in a gutter somewhere frothing at the mouth, or he might've just thought its a great way to cash out and start another account on SR when it all dies down....
Im in the same boat..... but im not holding my breath... (ok maybe just the tiniest bit) but GJ and CFMF.....
Brilliant post about locating ppl using post marks..
When you're talking about such serious dough, as charlie dealers handle..... well, as much as I hate to admit it, its almost a given human nature
I love SR..... such a brilliant melting pot of minds across nations
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My experience with cocaine was with Paperchasing. That shit was as raw as it gets. Ordered an ounce after that and went through that in one night. Worth it. Never did coke again though. XD
You and what army?
An ounce of coke in one night?!?
WTF No shit you never did it again, you're dead lol
Lol i was thinking the same thing! #scratchhead.
I dont sell ounces on SR.. i do sell ounces but not on here. I think the poster meant a GRAM in a night... heh
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This is too bad. Went with HM a few times and found his prod and packaging better than TVs.
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I really hope mike didn't turn scammer. He has a good rep so I felt comfortable finalizing early. I hope whatever issues he's dealing with in real life eventually work out and he comes back. I'll be forgiving and happy if he comes through no matter how long it takes.
I wish him the best, here's to hoping...
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Last Seen 10 days and counting... :-\
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Maybe it's time to have some kind of withdrawal limit system implemented on SR. Before anyone says anything, I know it would be a PITA for honest dealers (almost an oxymoron? :-P ) and as someone who's considering getting a vendors account I'd have to agree. But as someone who has been scammed twice by verified 'good' dealers I think something needs to be done to limit this kind of bullshit. Something simple like W orders in X time * Y bitcoins withdrawal in Z time = account limited. I know it would a PITA for SR to implement as well but just something to slow down these FE and run scammers and give time to see if they scam or not.
Also, just remember that true free markets always fail because power is consolidated too much and people abuse said power. All I'm asking is a little power transferred back to the consumers to help even it out.
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Maybe it's time to have some kind of withdrawal limit system implemented on SR. Before anyone says anything, I know it would be a PITA for honest dealers (almost an oxymoron? :-P ) and as someone who's considering getting a vendors account I'd have to agree. But as someone who has been scammed twice by verified 'good' dealers I think something needs to be done to limit this kind of bullshit. Something simple like W orders in X time * Y bitcoins withdrawal in Z time = account limited.
Or at the very least, some type of middleman system implemented within Silk Road. Obviously then each vendor would have to provide DCN which many currently do not do. It would take longer for funds to be released, but I'm sure that type of system will significantly decrease scamming, whether done by the buyer or seller.
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Maybe it's time to have some kind of withdrawal limit system implemented on SR. Before anyone says anything, I know it would be a PITA for honest dealers (almost an oxymoron? :-P ) and as someone who's considering getting a vendors account I'd have to agree. But as someone who has been scammed twice by verified 'good' dealers I think something needs to be done to limit this kind of bullshit. Something simple like W orders in X time * Y bitcoins withdrawal in Z time = account limited. I know it would a PITA for SR to implement as well but just something to slow down these FE and run scammers and give time to see if they scam or not.
Also, just remember that true free markets always fail because power is consolidated to much and people abuse said power. All I'm asking is a little power transferred back to the consumers to help even it out.
Not trying to jack this thread so I started a new one for discussion. http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=13452.0
Or at the very least, some type of middleman system implemented within Silk Road. Obviously then each vendor would have to provide DCN which many currently do not do. It would take longer for funds to be released, but I'm sure that type of system will significantly decrease scamming, whether done by the buyer or seller.
Unfortunately, DCN is only available for Domestic USA shipments AFAIK.
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stop trying to reinvent the wheel
silk road has a method for preventing buyers getting scammed like this. its called escrow
unfortunately there seems to be a number of vendors now REQUIRING finalizing early which sucks.
I got scammed by HM. But i will never FE now. once bitten twice shy right.
I suggest all buyers stop FE then vendors will have to work within the system and that will stop buyers getting scammed.
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Last I saw it was 10 days and counting, but now I can't see how long it has been since mike has logged in! Anyone else notice this change or is it something on my end?
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yep looks like his account has changed from vendor to a general user account
i think we got fucked
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Yup. Looks like that's the end for him. I guess have to write that order off as gone... :-\. Being scammed by CFMF and HB. I guess I now have learned my lesson. NO MORE FE !!!
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Man, i feel bad for all of you that lost money. The saddest part is that I saw this coming 3 months ago. I never posted anything about our transaction is because I know no one would have believed me, he had hundreds of perfect transactions. Im out about 500 bucks, its technically not a loss it was profit that i was supposed to get for a little "venture" i funded. when I knew it was time for him to send me my share he totally went dark to me. I have (or had) his cell phone number, It was for one of those text message service where they give you a "fake" phone number, so i dont have his real number.
He finally responded (this was before around christmas) he gave me this story how his girl friend got busted for doctor shopping and had lay low. Yea, right, he cant respond via tor because the local police have busted his girlfriend. I didn't buy it at all. What could i do? He then responded when I was going to tell everyone here about our transaction. He all of a sudden bought time by telling me he would send me product instead of money or a half and half type of deal, i agreed to it..
Nothing came for a long time, while he was doing his "feel the love" thing, i came down hard, he transfered like 20 btc's saying thats all he had in his account. He jerked me around for months. I should have come here and told everyone, but I honestly dont think that anyone would have listened. Maybe a few should have. But I actually liked the guy, I bought most of his lies and gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, when he gave me his "last" bitcoins, he actually told me that he thought about just bagging this account and then return later.. So, i bet he does this. Im 100 percent sure he did a rip off. Im still out about 400 bucks, but it was profit, i got my original investment back, (which was lucky)...
I knew something was up when he could buy dillie 8's for 4 bucks a piece and sell them for 25 a piece here and he never did that, he never had any capital to buy some. He didn't have a business sense, thats for sure. Anyone with a half a brain could have made a ton of money with those connections. I know that I made him a lot of money (from my original investment).. Now, it all makes sense..
Just watch out for a vendor that pops up in the next few months that ships from florida and acts like him..For all we know, he may already be here.. but i dont think he has the business smarts to do this. He could have made a lot of money with our deal..
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yep looks like his account has changed from vendor to a general user account
i think we got fucked
yes it looks like that! :(
Man, i feel bad for all of you that lost money. The saddest part is that I saw this coming 3 months ago. I never posted anything about our transaction is because I know no one would have believed me, he had hundreds of perfect transactions. Im out about 500 bucks, its technically not a loss it was profit that i was supposed to get for a little "venture" i funded. when I knew it was time for him to send me my share he totally went dark to me. I have (or had) his cell phone number, It was for one of those text message service where they give you a "fake" phone number, so i dont have his real number.
He finally responded (this was before around christmas) he gave me this story how his girl friend got busted for doctor shopping and had lay low. Yea, right, he cant respond via tor because the local police have busted his girlfriend. I didn't buy it at all. What could i do? He then responded when I was going to tell everyone here about our transaction. He all of a sudden bought time by telling me he would send me product instead of money or a half and half type of deal, i agreed to it..
Nothing came for a long time, while he was doing his "feel the love" thing, i came down hard, he transfered like 20 btc's saying thats all he had in his account. He jerked me around for months. I should have come here and told everyone, but I honestly dont think that anyone would have listened. Maybe a few should have. But I actually liked the guy, I bought most of his lies and gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, when he gave me his "last" bitcoins, he actually told me that he thought about just bagging this account and then return later.. So, i bet he does this. Im 100 percent sure he did a rip off. Im still out about 400 bucks, but it was profit, i got my original investment back, (which was lucky)...
I knew something was up when he could buy dillie 8's for 4 bucks a piece and sell them for 25 a piece here and he never did that, he never had any capital to buy some. He didn't have a business sense, thats for sure. Anyone with a half a brain could have made a ton of money with those connections. I know that I made him a lot of money (from my original investment).. Now, it all makes sense..
Just watch out for a vendor that pops up in the next few months that ships from florida and acts like him..For all we know, he may already be here.. but i dont think he has the business smarts to do this. He could have made a lot of money with our deal..
somewere else in the forum i read similar things - so i forget my order - 300 bucks are gone
the only thing i can do is to learn from my lesson.... i never FE, never!
i dont want to say that an normaly i wont wish it anybody but in this case i am sure life will fuck him so hard ( and hopefully with a big dildo ) that he can not walk for month!!!
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Tell me about it....nothing but previous flawless transactions with Mike, no problems at all, and always with very personable and friendly communication.
Sale weekend comes, so I decide to trust Mike with a slightly bigger purchase... 1oz ..... big mistake, finalised early because I thought he was legit and he said it was to help him make a larger bulk purchase during the sale, in turn increasing the quality of product everyone was to receive.
So, regardless of me being an idiot and lossing more than a couple thousand dollars by finalizing early on an order that large, I also feel shit for the rest of you who lost out too....and I guess we just need to remember.....the karmic wheel of justice may turn slowly, but turn it does, and I'm sure Mike will eventually get everything that's coming to him.
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I'm not going to come on here too "hope HM is well" or "here's hoping to getting my goods", and what not. fact is this fucker took a lot of people for a lot of btc and we can only hope that his ass gets busted and locked up for many years to come!
karma's a bitch!!!
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Tell me about it....nothing but previous flawless transactions with Mike, no problems at all, and always with very personable and friendly communication.
Sale weekend comes, so I decide to trust Mike with a slightly bigger purchase... 1oz ..... big mistake, finalised early because I thought he was legit and he said it was to help him make a larger bulk purchase during the sale, in turn increasing the quality of product everyone was to receive.
So, regardless of me being an idiot and lossing more than a couple thousand dollars by finalizing early on an order that large, I also feel shit for the rest of you who lost out too....and I guess we just need to remember.....the karmic wheel of justice may turn slowly, but turn it does, and I'm sure Mike will eventually get everything that's coming to him.
uuuh -that IS FUCK Man!!!
maybe you got a chance to see him a second time?? :o - Never know about karma....
I'm not going to come on here too "hope HM is well" or "here's hoping to getting my goods", and what not. fact is this fucker took a lot of people for a lot of btc and we can only hope that his ass gets busted and locked up for many years to come!
karma's a bitch!!!
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i agree: maybe there is no hope...
but fact is: nobody know what´s really happen. Maybe his is ill - get a Infarct or Stroke or some guys fucked him cause he ripped them
or he needs money like chronicpain writes before...
....or maybe he sits somewhere in the sun an enjoy our money and coke.....
many ordered 1/4g - so you can learn and nerver FE! Thats angry - ok - but no drama!
But really shit for all of you who ordered an 8 Ball or more - like 1 oz - thats really fuck
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What so many of us fail to understand is that we are not safe and not completely anonymous. We are safe from law enforcement because the time and energy involved in proving who was selling and who is buying and then linking that to other sales is too great.
Even if someone is busted red handed and even if the customer decides to rat out the seller it would be a huge amount of work to link the seller account to an actual person. The most any smart law enforcement or prosecution could hope for is possession for a buyer or possession with intent to distribute for a seller. While the latter is rather serious, even a local vice unit wouldn't spend all the energy and resources on it.
The people with the data forensic skills and hacking skills to piece together a major case work for government agencies that do far more important things. We could prove this point very easily with some well crafted political comments. Just try saying something stupid and see how fast they can smite us.
Sellers and buyers need to understand, while we are relatively safe from law enforcement right now, we are not safe from each other. It only takes one resourceful person with some time and money to ruin someone day or life. Companies that commit fraud using the same techniques we use to deal have been located and shut down by hurt customers for decades. We aren't doing anything new here. We can all be found. We aren't the fucking ninjas we imagine ourselves to be.
But lets say you don't have much time and you aren't very resourceful and you don't have much money. Why not just do this:
I am not clean enough to do this but all it takes is one customer with a clean record.
You take an old package, you get yourself an 8ball, you call the police and tell them that you got drugs in the mail.
After the police report is filed you stay on top of it, you call the local news.
You write a few letters and keep calling the USPS demanding they do something and say that you feel unsafe.
They will spend the time and resources and maybe because of the publicity they get a couple FBI guys to help out or worse, CIA guys.
Then hell would rain upon us.
I would like to add a note here that this is just a fun mind play. If you are brave enough to actually do this, you should know that investigators will, without a doubt, find and read this post and most likely track some of my activity and link it to you. Good for me. Bad for you.
Not that I'm some kind of crime lord but I am damn suspicious.
I don't want to track this guy down. I didn't lose that much and the product most likely wasn't that good. But if you want to by all means do it:
If one of you has a seller you could start a sale for a bounty.
You could also get a PI, someone who has dealt with mail fraud or mail harassment.
Various marketing companies have canvasing software if you want to DIY it.
If you want to be a asshole rat you can approach the local police in his area and be a CI.
Remember that 90% of the mailboxes in the US have video camera on them and many of the others have camera on their approach or exiting. Use an office mail room whenever you can.
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Wasn't sure where you were going with this post, but I agree with your conclusion. We on the SR are somewhat dependent upon each other to not blow this thing. Getting LE involved when you are angry, hurt, out of blow and money because of a scammer seems tempting...but it will hurt us all.
I was lucky to have met HM too late and with no bitcoin or his scam would have been my first experience on SR. I feel like I dodged a bullet.
I still have no purchases that have been completed since bitcoin seems to be rarer than good street drugs.
So, I can't say that this SR thing is really of value. But, I have followed the advice of those of you who have gone before me and been generous with your experience. I hope to write a euphoric, grateful post to all that make this site possible (I am amazed at the sophistication of the mission-driven security people like kmfkewm who guard us and are constantly suspicious and improving the measures taken to keep the goodness in life secure) when I score from TV and GOA (hopefully, next week).
If I get scammed, it will not be because I didn't do research on vendors, went out of escrow or finalized early. If it happens, I will try to get resolution through the channels that have been outlined and developed by the creators of SR. I will not and would not do anything remotely like meatmachine suggests could happen with a hypothetical, disgruntled, dopamine-depleted, scammed buyer.
To those who got scammed by HM: please dissipate your anger here on the forums. Keep us safe.
look into my doe eyes...don't I look worth protecting?
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first of all, I want to express my condolences to any who lost money here. Especially to the guy who had an oz on the line.. I feel for you.
@ goofus you are on the the right track in your approach of dealing with trusted, consistant, long-time members sellers like TV. and i think you will be happy when you get your orders next week.
thanks to sr, for cancelling this no-show order. I'm extremely happy i chose to use escrow this time and if there's anything that can be learned is that it does work. Sr investigates and detects any weird shit thoroughly to figure out who's who from a large pool of information at there disposal. Not really sure what happened to HM, its not my problem, but I hope he's alright.... but no matter how probable they seem, all theories are just conjecture. I hope we find out what really happened at some point
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I feel for everyone who got taken here, but there's also a valuable aspect to this thread that shouldn't be overlooked.
We as an entire community need to be vigilant, vendors and buyers alike, to keep an eye out for this type of behavior. A ton of people got ripped off, but if threads like this didn't exist that number could have been double or triple. This time you got burned, but next time you could be the buyer who was just about to purchase and stumbled across this thread and had your hard-earned money saved by a vigilant community.
I wish there was a way to punish assholes like HM, but unfortunately this is still black-market in the end, and anonymous on top, so recourse is nil.
On a side note, if anybody needs cheering up with some Canadian bud..................
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I wish there was a way to punish assholes like HM, but unfortunately this is still black-market in the end, and anonymous on top, so recourse is nil.
That is what I have been trying to say. There is a way to punish these people and someday someone is going to do it. Then we will be on the news and the party will be over.
I love SR but I think it is the Napster of drugs. It will get eaten up someday but we will have some sort of new more secure system born out of the ashes.
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stop trying to reinvent the wheel
silk road has a method for preventing buyers getting scammed like this. its called escrow
unfortunately there seems to be a number of vendors now REQUIRING finalizing early which sucks.
I got scammed by HM. But i will never FE now. once bitten twice shy right.
I suggest all buyers stop FE then vendors will have to work within the system and that will stop buyers getting scammed.
Im a vendor and I never ask my customers to FE. I dont ever plan on it either. Im also a buyer and had one vendor recently ask me to FE and I politely declined. There are plenty of vendors that dont ask you to so if one does just move on to the next one. Just my .02 btc