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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: dSyrup on February 17, 2012, 06:24 am
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I've recently noticed a sharp increase in the new LOTTERY postings. I was waiting for the forums to come back up so that I could see what others are saying and I couldn't find a topic about so here we are. All I could see were some postings here and there mentioning it on other threads.
I see a few problems with this and I'm sure I'm not the only one so let's talk about it!
I must say, I was initially excited when I saw these appearing and bought in on a few early ones. However, I soon discovered that it might not be so great.
I think it's pretty obvious the feedback system is being horribly manipulated.
Drugs are being given away for free. (Think about what would happen locally if this were to occur)
Money is flowing to sellers even though there is no way to prove a REAL winner. (i.e. shill accounts) Small change adds up big. Hell, even if it just pays for their new sr seller account it was worth it, right?
Why would a seller need to run or care to run a lottery if there was not money to be made?
Are the majority of new listings I see going to be gimmicks like this week?
I'm a firm believer in letting products and service speak for themselves. Everything else just seems like hearsay and gimmicks. I personally think that Lotteries and promos should be run outside of sr, like here for instance. Like the name game ;-)
IDK, just venting. What do you guys think about this stuff? I'm interested to hear your perspectives. I think sometimes things are just too good to be true and I have to slap myself back into reality. Do you ever feel that way?
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I posted this on tony's thread not too long ago, I'll cope&paste here since it's relevant:
I definitely agree with you. there are actually a few lotteries popping now. some for bud, some for dope; and I'm sure more will be coming along as well.
although, they can be fun and definitely a cool way to mix it up while attracting and generating potential buyers to a new vender, anyone who enters a lotto, definitely SHOULD NOT give the vender a 5/5 - at the VERY MOST - a 3/5 (and even that's pushing it)
and that is definitely not to be a dick. it's logical. a 5/5 means that the vender has done an extremely satisfactory job with:
1. communication
2. shipping
3. packaging
4. product
and you could possibly even add more variables as to why a 5/5 is an appropriate, deserving score for a vender. the point being, the perfect feedback rating comes to those venders who WORK for it.
as for the lottos, the winner - and ONLY the winner (if there is a *real* winner) should be giving the vender a perfect rating - and that's ONLY if they even receive the damn product and everything else was satisfactory.
as for everyone else, anything above a 3/5 is just plain absurd and stupid. if the vender happens to be a scammer, you're just adding to his potential scam and helping them fuck many, many other people over.
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If the customer that purchased the ticket didnt give a 5/5 then it would ruin the sellers reputation. Its gambling and sellers have different reasons for running lottos. I hope to promote my products and overall raise interest.
there are many more FAIR ways to generate customers. one way - that has been proven to work for MANY venders - is to give out free samples to some members in exchange for a review. sure, you won't make money for the first few transactions; BUT, when the product is delivered and positive reviews begin to come in, your order numbers will skyrocket that day - essentially, making up for the free samples - quite quickly. actually, all it is is a small investment, almost guaranteeing a *large* return. that is a fantastic way to generate good feedback, get good rep, and ultimately have many returning customers - all without inflating your rep, feedback, and rank caused by a lottery.
but if you are brand spanking new vender holding a lottery - with absolutely no rep - it is pretty damn unfair to expect everyone who purchases a ticket to give you a perfect rating for - in reality - not doing anything except selling a ticket.
I actually think holding a lottery is a fantastic, fun new idea. but not for new venders. in theory, lotteries should only be held by reputable venders, who already hold rep and are known to not be a scam - it's a great and competitive way to help generate new customers if business happens to be down. but, of course - unfortunately - that is not the case.
therefore, to alleviate the potentiality of members unintentionally helping a scammer scam their way to a fantastic rank/feedback rating, ticket buyers should leave a satisfactory score of 3/5, until the new vender has proven to the community that they are indeed, not a scammer. as I said, 3/5 is an intentionally great score for - in essence - not doing a thing.
it's extremely unfair to continually give a vender a perfect score just because they have held a lottery; when other venders, who work their asses off building rep, filling/sending incoming orders, and trying to make us customers happy, get outranked just because 100 people bought a lottery ticket costing 50 cents from a brand new vender who has not proven - or delivered - a damn thing.
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Well I think that name game kind of sparked people start giving some free stuff...obviously to make money and one person happy...Hopefully that's the reason haha.
I did one for a BTC pot. It was made by someone with amused in its name haha.
Hopefully a reputable member wins so we know if its legit or not.
But new members with lottery listings is really sketch
Lets see what happens.
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I have to agree that this is something that really needs to be looked at. It IS an unfair manipulation of the rating system, and as was mentioned, the rating system should be a reflection of the quality of a vendor's business practice, and not how cleverly they can get people to rank them without delivering a product. I hate to think that our quality vendors who have worked hard to achieve their ranking are being passed as I type this by people who have never delivered a single thing!
All of that being said, I like the idea of something for almost nothing as much as the next junkie. There needs to be some accountability, though- at the very least a trusted third party to be an administrator of these lotteries. No lottery on the planet is run entirely by the individual whose pocket the winner is paid out of. That is just begging for corruption.
The idea of raising interest and promoting a product is fine- but there are other, proven ways to do this that don't compromise the system.
I think that if DPR is okay with this, he needs to get involved and work out a system that holds the vendor hosting the lottery accountable, as well as taking the rating system out of the picture. I believe that this is the only way to protect the system, the vendors and the buyer. We all count on the rating system to make informed choices, and it has to maintain some integrity.
Just my .02 BTC.
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@obamagirl: did I specifically say that you - and only you - should never hold a lottery? no, of course not. but I hope you realize that I - or anyone else in this thread - is, by no means, directly referring to you. that is just silly. there is no need to defend yourself since no offense was intended.
but you have to and realize and agree that any lottery held by a new vender is just begging for corruption. as someone else said, the rating system is to give an accurate portrayal of venders to help new buyers decide whether they should put their trust and their coin with a vender; hopefully helping them avoid being scammed. but when everyone is rating a new vender a perfect rating - when absolutely no product, no communication, no shipping, and no packaging has been done - it manipulates the system, putting trust where no trust should be quickly put. therefore, when a new buyer sees that a vender is ranked #30 out of 300, has over 200 transactions, and a rating of 100%, they are most likely going to put their trust in them without fully understanding why he shouldn't.
and this debate isn't to condemn ALL lotteries; because I agree, they can be extremely helpful to a vender - but it becomes very shady when a brand new vender holds one and many people begin to buy from, potentially fucking dozens and dozens of new members out of there money - ultimately wrecking their SR experience right off the bat and scaring away many potential buyers. and that isn't good for anyone.
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If the customer that purchased the ticket didnt give a 5/5 then it would ruin the sellers reputation. Its gambling and sellers have different reasons for running lottos. I hope to promote my products and overall raise interest.
there are many more FAIR ways to generate customers. one way - that has been proven to work for MANY venders - is to give out free samples to some members in exchange for a review. sure, you won't make money for the first few transactions; BUT, when the product is delivered and positive reviews begin to come in, your order numbers will skyrocket that day - essentially, making up for the free samples - quite quickly. actually, all it is is a small investment, almost guaranteeing a *large* return. that is a fantastic way to generate good feedback, get good rep, and ultimately have many returning customers - all without inflating your rep, feedback, and rank caused by a lottery.
but if you are brand spanking new vender holding a lottery - with absolutely no rep - it is pretty damn unfair to expect everyone who purchases a ticket to give them a perfect rating for - in reality - not doing anything except selling a ticket.
in theory, lotteries should only be held by reputable members, who are already known to not be a scammer and hold rep, to generate new customers. but, of course - unfortunately - that is not the case.
therefore, to alleviate the potential of members unintentionally helping a scammer scam their way to a fantastic rank/feedback rating, ticket buyers should leave a satisfactory score of 3/5, until the new vender has proven to the community that they are indeed, not a scammer. as I said, 3/5 is intentionally a great score for - in essence - not doing a thing.
it's unvery fair to continually give the vender a perfect score just because he has held a lottery; when other venders, who, work their asses off building rep, filling flowing orders, and making the customer happy, get outranked just because 100 people bought a lottery ticket costing 50 cents from a brand new vender who has not proven - or delivered - a damn thing.
I did give out free samples. Plus I had a special on a certain product and sold it cheaper than anyone else on Silk Road. I have many other orders in the mail now. All customers of my mdma and weed have said it was very good. The mdma has been regent tested and the test results show a strong MDxx result.
Now I am doing another kind of special, the lottos. There is alot of interest for lotto on Silk Road. In all cases the lotto winners will receive prizes significantly more valuable then the cost of 1 ticket.
I dont know about other sellers but I think I have proven that I do have good product many times over and many product types over. I am happy to provide the community with high quality products. I am happy to provide the lotto winners with a nice bit of our high quality product or bitcoin amounts, in some cases, 100 times larger then the cost of 1 ticket!!!!! And guess what while we are at it........the winner will be verified and there will be definitive proof that I run an honest game and that I pay my winners and that those winners are selected randomly.
Obamagirl: You and i are both fairly new vendors.
I have over 400 transactions within 1 month of vending. All of those transactions (each and every single one) is between the value of 50USD-700USD. Think about how much work goes in to packaging/shipping/customer service goes into 400 transactions. I have earned my ranking as a vendor.
How is it fair for someone to run a lottery and become #5 rated seller in 10 days by selling a bunch of bullshit listings?
A vendors feedback should reflect their quality of service, the quality of the product and the quality of their customer service.. Not a bunch of bullshit lotto listings.
Don't take it personally, but that is how i feel.
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If the customer that purchased the ticket didnt give a 5/5 then it would ruin the sellers reputation. Its gambling and sellers have different reasons for running lottos. I hope to promote my products and overall raise interest.
there are many more FAIR ways to generate customers. one way - that has been proven to work for MANY venders - is to give out free samples to some members in exchange for a review. sure, you won't make money for the first few transactions; BUT, when the product is delivered and positive reviews begin to come in, your order numbers will skyrocket that day - essentially, making up for the free samples - quite quickly. actually, all it is is a small investment, almost guaranteeing a *large* return. that is a fantastic way to generate good feedback, get good rep, and ultimately have many returning customers - all without inflating your rep, feedback, and rank caused by a lottery.
but if you are brand spanking new vender holding a lottery - with absolutely no rep - it is pretty damn unfair to expect everyone who purchases a ticket to give them a perfect rating for - in reality - not doing anything except selling a ticket.
in theory, lotteries should only be held by reputable members, who are already known to not be a scammer and hold rep, to generate new customers. but, of course - unfortunately - that is not the case.
therefore, to alleviate the potential of members unintentionally helping a scammer scam their way to a fantastic rank/feedback rating, ticket buyers should leave a satisfactory score of 3/5, until the new vender has proven to the community that they are indeed, not a scammer. as I said, 3/5 is intentionally a great score for - in essence - not doing a thing.
it's unvery fair to continually give the vender a perfect score just because he has held a lottery; when other venders, who, work their asses off building rep, filling flowing orders, and making the customer happy, get outranked just because 100 people bought a lottery ticket costing 50 cents from a brand new vender who has not proven - or delivered - a damn thing.
I did give out free samples. Plus I had a special on a certain product and sold it cheaper than anyone else on Silk Road. I have many other orders in the mail now. All customers of my mdma and weed have said it was very good. The mdma has been regent tested and the test results show a strong MDxx result.
Now I am doing another kind of special, the lottos. There is alot of interest for lotto on Silk Road. In all cases the lotto winners will receive prizes significantly more valuable then the cost of 1 ticket.
I dont know about other sellers but I think I have proven that I do have good product many times over and many product types over. I am happy to provide the community with high quality products. I am happy to provide the lotto winners with a nice bit of our high quality product or bitcoin amounts, in some cases, 100 times larger then the cost of 1 ticket!!!!! And guess what while we are at it........the winner will be verified and there will be definitive proof that I run an honest game and that I pay my winners and that those winners are selected randomly.
Obamagirl: You and i are both fairly new vendors.
I have over 400 transactions within 1 month of vending. All of those transactions (each and every single one) is between the value of 50USD-700USD. Think about how much work goes in to packaging/shipping/customer service goes into 400 transactions. I have earned my ranking as a vendor.
How is it fair for someone to run a lottery and become #5 rated seller in 10 days by selling a bunch of bullshit listings?
A vendors feedback should reflect their quality of service, the quality of the product and the quality of their customer service.. Not a bunch of bullshit lotto listings.
Don't take it personally, but that is how i feel.
I understand where you are comming from. And I will say I think your products are good from what I hear you are a good vendor. I agree its bs to earn all your feedback with a bs lotto which is why in the last week my customers received like 30 packages from me and left feedback. My lotto is set up so I make money the other guys is just set up for some feedback. I am going to pay a winner in each lotto alot more than their ticket cost. I am still going to be shipping out my high quality products also.
Even though we see a little differently on this issue I firmly believe that you (tony76) is a better vendor than wumg00. I recommend anyone purchasing good H to use tony76 as opposed to wumg00. All the products sold by tony76 that wumg00 sells are better than wumg00s products.
Thank you for the kind words.. I'm a little confused why the comparison to wumg00 though.. From what i've heard he is a pretty respected vendor on here, and super friendly from all my talking to him..
Did i miss something?
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because he is a direct competitor of yours??? He sells similar products in the same country. :) He may be polite but I would say be cautious when sending your coin to him hahaha.
I dunno what obama meant for sure but I think its close to what I am saying.
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With the current system of ratings it will always be easy to generate ratings, free samples, lotteries, low value sales to yourself (to minimise SR commision), can easily generate a 100% rating for 15-20 sales maybe more, until the rating system is changed this will always be manipulated. Perhaps including value of sales in ratings, would improve the system.
Perhaps for LOTTO's to eliminate fixing SR could provide an application, that Vendors operate the lottery through the app, but it goes into a different escrow account, and the prize is drawn randomly by SR and the vendor only receives the money after the "winning order" is finalized, if not finalized either all money refunded, or winner gets all.
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With the current system of ratings it will always be easy to generate ratings, free samples, lotteries, low value sales to yourself (to minimise SR commision), can easily generate a 100% rating for 15-20 sales maybe more, until the rating system is changed this will always be manipulated. Perhaps including value of sales in ratings, would improve the system.
Perhaps for LOTTO's to eliminate fixing SR could provide an application, that Vendors operate the lottery through the app, but it goes into a different escrow account, and the prize is drawn randomly by SR and the vendor only receives the money after the "winning order" is finalized, if not finalized either all money refunded, or winner gets all.
I say ban all these sons a bitches with lottos. They are all scum bags trying to make money off gambling and scammers prolly. Hopefully Silk road deletes all of their accounts.
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With the current system of ratings it will always be easy to generate ratings, free samples, lotteries, low value sales to yourself (to minimise SR commision), can easily generate a 100% rating for 15-20 sales maybe more, until the rating system is changed this will always be manipulated. Perhaps including value of sales in ratings, would improve the system.
Perhaps for LOTTO's to eliminate fixing SR could provide an application, that Vendors operate the lottery through the app, but it goes into a different escrow account, and the prize is drawn randomly by SR and the vendor only receives the money after the "winning order" is finalized, if not finalized either all money refunded, or winner gets all.
I agree with this guys comments. I think all the people with lotto's should be shot in the head twice and killed slowly. Silk Road needs to ban their accounts. I hate lotto's. I cant believe these guys are actually just going around starting wanton lotto's left and right. They don't even take regard to the amount of law enforcement attention drawn because of all their lotto's. Lotto's are going to be the down fall of Silk Road. Because gambling law enforcement are now going to launch enforcement on Silk Road since they are biting into their market.
Dam those lotto bastards. I hate illegal gambling.
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I understand where you are comming from. And I will say I think your products are good from what I hear you are a good vendor. I agree its bs to earn all your feedback with a bs lotto which is why in the last week my customers received like 30 packages from me and left feedback. My lotto is set up so I make money the other guys is just set up for some feedback. I am going to pay a winner in each lotto alot more than their ticket cost. I am still going to be shipping out my high quality products also.
Even though we see a little differently on this issue I firmly believe that you (tony76) is a better vendor than wumg00. I recommend anyone purchasing good H to use tony76 as opposed to wumg00. All the products sold by tony76 that wumg00 sells are better than wumg00s products.
Hey just wondering why you have chosen this comparison. You already stated you have not tried tony's product, so how the fuck are you able to make any sort of legit comparison?
This sort of bullshit screams red flag, and given you are into this scam lotto crap, I seriously question your motives! I have and continue to use Wumg00 and I vouch for him 100%! So in future fuck off and don't compare if you have never used!
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I understand where you are comming from. And I will say I think your products are good from what I hear you are a good vendor. I agree its bs to earn all your feedback with a bs lotto which is why in the last week my customers received like 30 packages from me and left feedback. My lotto is set up so I make money the other guys is just set up for some feedback. I am going to pay a winner in each lotto alot more than their ticket cost. I am still going to be shipping out my high quality products also.
Even though we see a little differently on this issue I firmly believe that you (tony76) is a better vendor than wumg00. I recommend anyone purchasing good H to use tony76 as opposed to wumg00. All the products sold by tony76 that wumg00 sells are better than wumg00s products.
Hey just wondering why you have chosen this comparison. You already stated you have not tried tony's product, so how the fuck are you able to make any sort of legit comparison?
This sort of bullshit screams red flag, and given you are into this scam lotto crap, I seriously question your motives! I have and continue to use Wumg00 and I vouch for him 100%! So in future fuck off and don't compare if you have never used!
I think without a doubt tonys stuff is higher quality than wumg00s. I didnt want to say it b4 but I have had both so thanks :)
So before when you said you hadn't you were what? Full of shit? Something just not right here!
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I understand where you are comming from. And I will say I think your products are good from what I hear you are a good vendor. I agree its bs to earn all your feedback with a bs lotto which is why in the last week my customers received like 30 packages from me and left feedback. My lotto is set up so I make money the other guys is just set up for some feedback. I am going to pay a winner in each lotto alot more than their ticket cost. I am still going to be shipping out my high quality products also.
Even though we see a little differently on this issue I firmly believe that you (tony76) is a better vendor than wumg00. I recommend anyone purchasing good H to use tony76 as opposed to wumg00. All the products sold by tony76 that wumg00 sells are better than wumg00s products.
Hey just wondering why you have chosen this comparison. You already stated you have not tried tony's product, so how the fuck are you able to make any sort of legit comparison?
This sort of bullshit screams red flag, and given you are into this scam lotto crap, I seriously question your motives! I have and continue to use Wumg00 and I vouch for him 100%! So in future fuck off and don't compare if you have never used!
I think without a doubt tonys stuff is higher quality than wumg00s. I didnt want to say it b4 but I have had both so thanks :)
So before when you said you hadn't you were what? Full of shit? Something just not right here!
Fuck you hoffa! OG is great. I ordered 6 hits of 90ug acid for JUST $40 with like $2 shipping. When I got it there was 9 in the package! Plus the acid was good. So after I order a gram of mdma and that was good also. Fuck you stop trying to fuck up a good vendor scum bag.
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lol a lot of anger here. Like both of you flying the flag for this vendor, I was doing the same for Wumg00!
Happy you have had good experiences dont sweat the small stuff 8) and I think Cunt is a bit harsh ;D
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This lotto bullshit is a horrible thing for SR. Sure it sounds good in theory, but in reality it is just a ploy to build user stats. These people are going to sell 100 $1 listings and get all positive feedback for what? Who knows if they are even going to ship the item to a winner. They may not even pick a winner at random, they may just have a shill account to be set as the winner. It's not right! It's all about building their feedback to have a better chance of scamming in the future.
Hell the person hosting the lottery may not even have the product. They could be just waiting to get enough in lottery cash to turn a little profit for themselves then ordering through a legit vendor and having them ship it directly to the "winner".
I don't know, I just don't like it and think it is just a ploy to build positive feedback.
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I'm a soon-to-be seller and I have to say I got mixed feelings when I saw these lotteries..
I mean, it's fuckin clear the point is not the lottery.. it's just a loophole to increase the stats.
At the same time I was thinking.. what the fuck, when I'm gonna have the seller account up this is clearly the fastest way to get some stats ( obviously you still need to hang around the forums, send samples and stuff ).
Not to disrespect all the sellers that worked their asses off till now, but just to keep up with the rest of the sellers if this becomes the norm.
I think as it is right now it's fucked up to the old sellers and it's perfect for scammers as well.. It looks like something it can grow to really create problems in the community.
I guess this problem is gonna be addressed structurally by SR, I think a value-based feedback like padawan suggested or something similar it's the way.
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If the customer that purchased the ticket didnt give a 5/5 then it would ruin the sellers reputation. Its gambling and sellers have different reasons for running lottos. I hope to promote my products and overall raise interest.
there are many more FAIR ways to generate customers. one way - that has been proven to work for MANY venders - is to give out free samples to some members in exchange for a review. sure, you won't make money for the first few transactions; BUT, when the product is delivered and positive reviews begin to come in, your order numbers will skyrocket that day - essentially, making up for the free samples - quite quickly. actually, all it is is a small investment, almost guaranteeing a *large* return. that is a fantastic way to generate good feedback, get good rep, and ultimately have many returning customers - all without inflating your rep, feedback, and rank caused by a lottery.
but if you are brand spanking new vender holding a lottery - with absolutely no rep - it is pretty damn unfair to expect everyone who purchases a ticket to give them a perfect rating for - in reality - not doing anything except selling a ticket.
in theory, lotteries should only be held by reputable members, who are already known to not be a scammer and hold rep, to generate new customers. but, of course - unfortunately - that is not the case.
therefore, to alleviate the potential of members unintentionally helping a scammer scam their way to a fantastic rank/feedback rating, ticket buyers should leave a satisfactory score of 3/5, until the new vender has proven to the community that they are indeed, not a scammer. as I said, 3/5 is intentionally a great score for - in essence - not doing a thing.
it's unvery fair to continually give the vender a perfect score just because he has held a lottery; when other venders, who, work their asses off building rep, filling flowing orders, and making the customer happy, get outranked just because 100 people bought a lottery ticket costing 50 cents from a brand new vender who has not proven - or delivered - a damn thing.
I did give out free samples. Plus I had a special on a certain product and sold it cheaper than anyone else on Silk Road. I have many other orders in the mail now. All customers of my mdma and weed have said it was very good. The mdma has been regent tested and the test results show a strong MDxx result.
Now I am doing another kind of special, the lottos. There is alot of interest for lotto on Silk Road. In all cases the lotto winners will receive prizes significantly more valuable then the cost of 1 ticket.
I dont know about other sellers but I think I have proven that I do have good product many times over and many product types over. I am happy to provide the community with high quality products. I am happy to provide the lotto winners with a nice bit of our high quality product or bitcoin amounts, in some cases, 100 times larger then the cost of 1 ticket!!!!! And guess what while we are at it........the winner will be verified and there will be definitive proof that I run an honest game and that I pay my winners and that those winners are selected randomly.
Obamagirl: You and i are both fairly new vendors.
I have over 400 transactions within 1 month of vending. All of those transactions (each and every single one) is between the value of 50USD-700USD. Think about how much work goes in to packaging/shipping/customer service goes into 400 transactions. I have earned my ranking as a vendor.
How is it fair for someone to run a lottery and become #5 rated seller in 10 days by selling a bunch of bullshit listings?
A vendors feedback should reflect their quality of service, the quality of the product and the quality of their customer service.. Not a bunch of bullshit lotto listings.
Don't take it personally, but that is how i feel.
I see your point Tony, but consider this: there are reasons I ordered from YOU and not someone padding their ratings with a lottery, even though I had to finalize early. I took the time to READ your feedback. I took the TIME to see if you were vetted on the forums. The numbers, by themselves, are meaningless, because it's more than obvious when someone pads their rating this way. Your "letters" proved you were solid, and my experience with you was perfect. I'll now go out of my way to tell people that, and I will order from you again (when the damn moneypak queues thin out, anyway).
A legitimate lotto or raffle is a creative and effective way for a new vendor to get their name out there. It is also a creative and effective way for ANY vendor to drum up business by promoting their product and their name- a proven marketing strategy that works.
"All credit applications accepted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". Of course they are. Not all are approved, though.
"We'll pay off your trade no matter how much you owe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". Of course the dealer will. It's their car now. But the customer will make up the difference between what's owed and what it's actually worth to the dealer.
BUYERS MUST ALWAYS LOOK AT THE INFORMATION THEY ARE GIVEN.
I don't think a lottery is bullshit if the vendor turns out to be legit, since ALL VENDORS are free to employ the same strategy. Using a lottery as a marketing tactic is a creative and effective way to get your name out there, and for a legitimate vendor, is far more than a way of merely padding a rating.
And if the vendor is a scammer, they'll be vetted soon enough anyway. There are always fuckers, and always those who will get fucked. I've been screwed IRL by drug dealers, but I flat out guarantee it will not happen in this community, in which all the information I need to make a sound buying decision is made available to me.
And lest we forget, feedback can always be updated.
Caveat emptor... Or let the buyer get screwed.
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SR has already posted earlier that he is going to be dealing with this issue because it is gaming the system - newbs should have to go through the ringer twice before they can get something like this up and people take it seriously.
For the record, I'm currently running a lottery. That being said, I also have 500 legit transactions on SR, am the oldest weed seller on here now, and I think I've earned my stripes (how many of us are left from the days with no bitcoin hedging, when buyers and sellers were both trying to play the currency fluctuations against each other, and the only thing that kept me alive is that I do a really brisk f2f business that subsidized me while the situation was sorted out by DPR?). My review topic is over 8 months old and has over 250 posts with more than 4,700 views.
The proposed system is that small listings like digital goods and lotto tickets will have no feedback weighting, or a VERY TINY weighting, so it would take thousands of these to equal out to a bulk transaction. I am fully on board for this. This is the first lotto I'm running and it's mainly for the purpose of generating some new interest in my products and to have some fun. If I do any future ones, I have already contacted SR about this, and I if I'm going to start lotto-ing out OZ's of my high end cannabis and mushrooms I will purchase a completely separate vendor's account with the express purpose of doing that, and only that.
As for your 3/5, 5/5, etc. I can't agree that you should be leaving a vendor a partial feedback on a lotto order, unless you are just throwing your coins out into the ether. The system I have proposed goes like this:
Buyer purchases lotto ticket(s). Once I see the order on my Orders page, I pull the username down and add it to a chronological list of all ticket/users who have purchased, and each ticket is assigned a number (so johnny123 bought the first 5 tickets, he gets numbers 1-5, sarah234 bought the next 3, she gets 6-8, and so on). I update a post on the lotto thread with the username/ticket list, and THEN I mark the item in transit. Buyers double check to make sure that their ticket count is correct, and message me if there are any errors. If there are not, they finalize the item because they have been confirmed as entered.
Once the entries are complete (tomorrow night), I will use a web-based random number generator that allows me to enter outside parameters (if I have 250 total tickets, the outside parameters are 1 and 250, and the random number generator will select a number from inside that range). I will screenshot the winning number for the grand prize, and another screenshot for second place. Then I will post the winning numbers and it is up to the winning user to come take a look and see if they won. I will set up one listing for 0.01 BTC for the grand prize winner, and another for 0.01 BTC for the runner up. Item ships, they receive, everything is good.
Under the new weighting system no aspect of this would really affect my rank, or the rank of the lotto account I will open if this one runs well. This is mostly a marketing thing for me, and I'm hoping to basically break even on product cost + shipping, and nothing more. If there's a couple of BTC in it to justify all the time spent updating the ticket list and such, that's cool. But I am hoping for future sales, and that is all.
If you want the details, the thread for my lotto is here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=12153.0
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I saw all the new vendors throwing up lotteries and thought 'this is wrong, cant rack up hundreds of orders within a few days without shipping actual product', then went on my way happy hunting among legit SR listings.
Then I saw anarcho's lottery and thought 'FUCK YEAH! solid vendor generating buzz around his product, anarcho knows how to run a business!". immediately purchased a few of his lotto tickets.
I did feel a little dirty bc now my transaction history is padded with a few lotto orders, but my stats were A+ beforehand so not losing sleep over it.
BUT, IMHO, a newb with 0 transactions buying 10x lotto listings feels like fraud to me.
Can vendors see what the actual listings buyer purchased in past? or just # orders, refund rate, etc?
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I think enough information would be gleaned from total BTC spent (which we currently cannot see) as the only statistical addition on buyer side. If someone has 50 transactions but only 30BTC spent that's a "move on" buyer.
That's the only addition I would ask for.
I also check user number and keep track of how many people have signed up for the site. If I see someone who's "two weeks old" with 20 transactions, I usually ask them to get a substance vendor they have done business with to send me a PM and vouch. If I can't get it, I won't do business.
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Didn't mean anything negative against ObamaGirl specifically, seems to have actually delivered product but I saw a few new vendors who joined only days ago & lotto's were their original listings.
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I have purchased from OG and was very pleased with the product. I think it was actually stronger than advertised. Seems like a good new vendor, wish she had more acid.
Folks like anarcho47, wumg00 and puffbuddy, I don't have a problem with them running a lotto. If it jacks their feedback up a little, so what? They're already solid members of the community.
New kids like OG that have already started to build a reputation with actually shipping the shit they're selling? I still approve but think that it's a somewhat unfair effect.
I don't like it for new vendors, simply because of the effect on feedback. I otherwise think it's not such a bad idea.
I still keep buying the shares with spare btcs. I'd love to get in on anarcho's lotto, but I don't buy from outside the states.
I'll be waiting when you finally decide to give it a shot. I have over 98% delivery rate to the US and that's not including potential scam buyers who just said the package never arrived.
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I still keep buying the shares with spare btcs. I'd love to get in on anarcho's lotto, but I don't buy from outside the states.
I'll be waiting when you finally decide to give it a shot. I have over 98% delivery rate to the US and that's not including potential scam buyers who just said the package never arrived.
I was apprehensive ordering from the Great Green North (Canada) as well but Anarcho's as solid as you can get. As likely to receive from him as you are a domestic vendor.
I feel like those from him that dont make it are simply lost, destroyed in a sorting machine or ganked by your sticky fingered local postman, not customs seizing. Which are just as likely to happen to a package from US state.
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You like my packaging, Gatsby? ;)
I take some serious pride in the planning I put into my packaging and I think I've got my methods down pretty well. Always room for improvement, mind you, and I welcome feedback on it. But yes I have extremely high success rates getting packages into the US, and I'm damned proud of that because most of you guys have awful weed compared to what "average" stock is up here. So to be able to send you some bomb Canadian bud is a damned pleasure :)
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Didn't mean anything negative against ObamaGirl specifically, seems to have actually delivered product but I saw a few new vendors who joined only days ago & lotto's were their original listings.
I keep a little list of all vendors doing the lottery thing and and make sure I NEVER buy from them regardless of how long they have been here. The number one thing you will ALWAYS hear from EVERY scammer is "You can trust me".
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I've recently noticed a sharp increase in the new LOTTERY postings. I was waiting for the forums to come back up so that I could see what others are saying and I couldn't find a topic about so here we are. All I could see were some postings here and there mentioning it on other threads.
I see a few problems with this and I'm sure I'm not the only one so let's talk about it!
I must say, I was initially excited when I saw these appearing and bought in on a few early ones. However, I soon discovered that it might not be so great.
I think it's pretty obvious the feedback system is being horribly manipulated.
Drugs are being given away for free. (Think about what would happen locally if this were to occur)
Money is flowing to sellers even though there is no way to prove a REAL winner. (i.e. shill accounts) Small change adds up big. Hell, even if it just pays for their new sr seller account it was worth it, right?
Why would a seller need to run or care to run a lottery if there was not money to be made?
Are the majority of new listings I see going to be gimmicks like this week?
I'm a firm believer in letting products and service speak for themselves. Everything else just seems like hearsay and gimmicks. I personally think that Lotteries and promos should be run outside of sr, like here for instance. Like the name game ;-)
IDK, just venting. What do you guys think about this stuff? I'm interested to hear your perspectives. I think sometimes things are just too good to be true and I have to slap myself back into reality. Do you ever feel that way?
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Yeah, the lotto is definitely a problem... Vendors get there stats up for basically nothing.
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Buyers should not rely only on stats number. They should hoover the mouse over the purchased item for what is feedback given.
If buyer notice that majority of sale was for lotto items then he can have more insight on seller reputation overall.
Bottom line, all need to take a time to see for which items are feedback and to read the forum and on that decide accordingly.
For some vendors, rank, number of sales and reputation percentage is not enough for decision esp if they carry lotto or other similar items.
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lottos shouldn't matter as of this morning. SR posted that he is implementing the recommended changes immediately (that lotto and digital listings have no weight), so ranks should revert back to an appropriate level by the end of the day.
Yup, I just checked - change has taken effect.
This guy WAS ranked at number 6 last night. Today he's 232
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/164457
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Well done.
It's nice to see how SR is good at addressing potential risks for itself and its loopholes..
Keeps evolving like a virus or something.. :)
Keep it up!!
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Excellent. I am happy to read today's developments :-) Thanks to all for your participation in this thread and for voicing your concerns!
Much <3
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I understand where you are comming from. And I will say I think your products are good from what I hear you are a good vendor. I agree its bs to earn all your feedback with a bs lotto which is why in the last week my customers received like 30 packages from me and left feedback. My lotto is set up so I make money the other guys is just set up for some feedback. I am going to pay a winner in each lotto alot more than their ticket cost. I am still going to be shipping out my high quality products also.
Even though we see a little differently on this issue I firmly believe that you (tony76) is a better vendor than wumg00. I recommend anyone purchasing good H to use tony76 as opposed to wumg00. All the products sold by tony76 that wumg00 sells are better than wumg00s products.
Hey just wondering why you have chosen this comparison. You already stated you have not tried tony's product, so how the fuck are you able to make any sort of legit comparison?
This sort of bullshit screams red flag, and given you are into this scam lotto crap, I seriously question your motives! I have and continue to use Wumg00 and I vouch for him 100%! So in future fuck off and don't compare if you have never used!
I think without a doubt tonys stuff is higher quality than wumg00s. I didnt want to say it b4 but I have had both so thanks :)
So before when you said you hadn't you were what? Full of shit? Something just not right here!
Fuck you hoffa! OG is great. I ordered 6 hits of 90ug acid for JUST $40 with like $2 shipping. When I got it there was 9 in the package! Plus the acid was good. So after I order a gram of mdma and that was good also. Fuck you stop trying to fuck up a good vendor scum bag.
I understand where you are comming from. And I will say I think your products are good from what I hear you are a good vendor. I agree its bs to earn all your feedback with a bs lotto which is why in the last week my customers received like 30 packages from me and left feedback. My lotto is set up so I make money the other guys is just set up for some feedback. I am going to pay a winner in each lotto alot more than their ticket cost. I am still going to be shipping out my high quality products also.
Even though we see a little differently on this issue I firmly believe that you (tony76) is a better vendor than wumg00. I recommend anyone purchasing good H to use tony76 as opposed to wumg00. All the products sold by tony76 that wumg00 sells are better than wumg00s products.
Hey just wondering why you have chosen this comparison. You already stated you have not tried tony's product, so how the fuck are you able to make any sort of legit comparison?
This sort of bullshit screams red flag, and given you are into this scam lotto crap, I seriously question your motives! I have and continue to use Wumg00 and I vouch for him 100%! So in future fuck off and don't compare if you have never used!
I think without a doubt tonys stuff is higher quality than wumg00s. I didnt want to say it b4 but I have had both so thanks :)
So before when you said you hadn't you were what? Full of shit? Something just not right here!
Stop being a cunt hoffa. This vendor has delivered good product for many of us. This vendor is a good new US mdma supplier. All escrow sales, fast shipping, and good product. Plus this vendor had 2 different special sales offering good quality drugs at discount prices. What else can you ask for?
So Guys
How are you feeling right about now??? And Kali who really is the CUNT???
Not wanting to rub your faces in shit any further,(As clearly you have both been dribbling it) My advise is and please take it constructively.
DONT FUCKING TALK IF YOU DO KNOW! It just really make you look like the wankers you are ;)
So to finish and in my best South African accent (from a great lethal weapon episode)
Who's the DICKHEAD NOW hey?
Peace and to all that was scammed by this slut/prick my condolences!
Hoffa