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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: notzy888 on February 06, 2012, 02:44 am
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how many years would SR owner get if busted?
i know this is a very lame question.. but i was just wondering...
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120 hours of community service! and by community service....I mean exactly what he's going right now ;) it's a great service he is going to us, the community.
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how many years would SR owner get if busted?
i know this is a very lame question.. but i was just wondering...
Great first post...keep it up
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Eleventy billion years in the seekrit prison Shatner was sent to in Star trek VI
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Did you ever see the TV Series "Dollhouse?" Well, there is a place called "The Attic" in this series, where if you fucked up that's where you are forever doomed to go..That's where SR would go if they ever found him lol, or worse. Guess it depends on the government that finds him..I honestly suspect that when the Road took off with real profits, he upgraded everything, and moved it somewhere super secret, and did all the super secret precautionary things he could do to hide his shit, and cover his ass if it ever was found.
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SR is currently serving a lifetime of "community service" for the people of Silk Road :)
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5 YEAR WITH GOOD BEHAVIOR I BET! I PRAY HE WILL STAY SAFE AND AVOID LE
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I don't think there would be any precedent for anything like this, so really who knows. The only case I can think of that would have any similarities is the one against the guys that created the Pirate Bay. They were charged with accessory to crimes against copyright law, so I suppose he could get accessory to drug dealing charges and whatever sentence that could bring.
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Don't quote me on this, I am not a lawyer. But, as I understand it, the Silk Road qualifies as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. The only thing worse than this is being an Al-Qaeda member being held in gitmo. The following applies for CCE's:
The Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute (commonly referred to as CCE Statute or The Kingpin Statute) is a United States federal law that targets large-scale drug traffickers who are responsible for long-term and elaborate drug conspiracies. Unlike the RICO Act, which covers a wide range of organized crime enterprises, the CCE statute covers only major narcotics organizations. CCE is codified as Chapter 13 of Title 21 of the United States Code, 21 U.S.C. § 848. The statute makes it a federal crime to commit or conspire to commit a continuing series of felony violations of the 1970 Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act when such acts are taken in concert with 5 or more other persons. For conviction under this statute, the offender must have been an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from the drug violations.[1]
The sentence for a first CCE conviction is a mandatory minimum 20 years' imprisonment (with a maximum of life imprisonment), a fine of not more than $2 million, and forfeiture of profits and any interest in the enterprise. Under the so-called "super kingpin" provision added as subsection (b) to the CCE statute in 1984, a person convicted of being a "principal" administrator, organizer, or leader of a criminal enterprise that either involves a large amount of narcotics (at least 300 times the quantity that would trigger a 5-year mandatory-minimum sentence for possession), or generates a large amount of money (at least $10 million in gross receipts during a single year), must serve a mandatory life sentence without possibility of parole (sometimes referred to as a "living death" or "pine box" sentence, since the offender is strictly ineligible for release while alive). Anyone engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise who intentionally kills a person or causes an intentional killing may be sentenced to death. Probation, parole, and suspension of the sentence are prohibited.
In addition, they can seize all assets in anyway related to the enterprise.
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lets be honest. they'd fuck him with whatever it would take
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Don't quote me on this, I am not a lawyer. But, as I understand it, the Silk Road qualifies as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise.
Congrats, you are the first other person I have seen on these boards who knows about the CCE statutes and how it impacts users of this website, which means you probably take risk management more seriously than most. :-)
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a better question that i've been wondering is how much money does he make lol
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SR is currently serving a lifetime of "community service" for the people of Silk Road :)
Amen. :D
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If DPR ever gets busted then it falls to the SR community, esp. the top sellers, to aid DPR somehow.
e.g. making certain his 'stay' is more comfortable, supporting any dependents, legal appeal funding etc
In general there ought to be a Insurance Fund for all seller participants in SR. If we don't take care of our own, then nobody will.
Something like a 1% tax to the Fund seems appropriate, and I think would be acceptable to 99% of the SR community.
However, administrating the Fund... that could be a little tricky. Anyway, it's an idea.
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It would depend on which country nabbed him. I am hoping that SR is smart enough to either live in, or have moved to, a non-extradition country with more lax laws towards drugs. This way he might end up with a 5 year sentence.
It's either that or set up shop on the moon, at this point. He could be the Newt Gingrich of the online drug world!
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...i'll like to see them prove any involvement ..would be a good start....innocent until proven guilty....
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I think SR is Dutch.
so none of the american terminology even applies.
his country is not a secret since he's been selling shrooms here himself before the thing got big.
just for the record - i don't know anything for sure, and haven't ordered anything from SR himself, but I do remember
him selling them shrooms.
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...if they were posted from NL then perhaps, if 'DPR' is a bit cleverer than average then they might have been posted from there but 'DPR' is somewhere else....you get me..?!
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Don't quote me on this, I am not a lawyer. But, as I understand it, the Silk Road qualifies as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. The only thing worse than this is being an Al-Qaeda member being held in gitmo. The following applies for CCE's:
The Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute (commonly referred to as CCE Statute or The Kingpin Statute) is a United States federal law that targets large-scale drug traffickers who are responsible for long-term and elaborate drug conspiracies. Unlike the RICO Act, which covers a wide range of organized crime enterprises, the CCE statute covers only major narcotics organizations. CCE is codified as Chapter 13 of Title 21 of the United States Code, 21 U.S.C. § 848. The statute makes it a federal crime to commit or conspire to commit a continuing series of felony violations of the 1970 Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act when such acts are taken in concert with 5 or more other persons. For conviction under this statute, the offender must have been an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from the drug violations.[1]
The sentence for a first CCE conviction is a mandatory minimum 20 years' imprisonment (with a maximum of life imprisonment), a fine of not more than $2 million, and forfeiture of profits and any interest in the enterprise. Under the so-called "super kingpin" provision added as subsection (b) to the CCE statute in 1984, a person convicted of being a "principal" administrator, organizer, or leader of a criminal enterprise that either involves a large amount of narcotics (at least 300 times the quantity that would trigger a 5-year mandatory-minimum sentence for possession), or generates a large amount of money (at least $10 million in gross receipts during a single year), must serve a mandatory life sentence without possibility of parole (sometimes referred to as a "living death" or "pine box" sentence, since the offender is strictly ineligible for release while alive). Anyone engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise who intentionally kills a person or causes an intentional killing may be sentenced to death. Probation, parole, and suspension of the sentence are prohibited.
In addition, they can seize all assets in anyway related to the enterprise.
Yes and lets not forget about sentencing enhancements such as "Mastermind" and "Weapons" involvement. Oh yeh, and that little thing called "conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States of America" Oh, an you can tack on whatever the charges are on the indictment PLUS the additional charges of the "Conspiracy" to commit the very same offenses that typically carry the same sentence as if you actually DID IT (well, you did have to conspire to do it before you did it.) Yes, so if you have a 157 count indictment for various charges (easy to do, trust me) you can tack on 157 MORE for the conspiracy to do those very same things making a grand total of 314 count indictment with anywhere from 1-25/life sentence per charge.
Frankly, I believe that he could be charged with CCE the total amount of SR transactions (at least 80,000 now) individually, distribution, conspiracy to distribute (yes, thats 80,000 more), using the US Postal systems to send drugs (80,000 more), aid and abet all of the above (80,000 more) ... and thats not even getting into the criminal IRS related charges (ummm yeh, thats alot...) and thats just off the top of my head shooting from the hip... if I was a US Attorney I could pump out a 500,000 count indictment against him easily, and more would be child's play. Considering that each count carries its OWN INDIVIDUAL MINIMUM MANDATORY SENTENCE according to the sentencing guidelines... well lets just say "Life x1000" or more would be reasonable. No wonder some just yell "THUG LIFE" and let the trigger fly rather than being caught up in a lifetime of misery in a 8x10 cell... don't have no illusions if your playing this game... I don't fear blood, its ink that I fear the most. See, you just cant fight a 300 count indictment much less a 500,000 count one, its just not financially feasible for the Rothschilds even.
If they catch this dude, basically you can forget the "law" and all that cause they GONNA put him in a USP Marion supermax with John Gotti and throw away the key. Perhaps even under the prison in extra "special housing" lol... really, the fact is it don't matter WHAT you THINK the law says, when they get to court the Judge will basically look at the DA (who represents the entity who writes his payroll checks and backs his authority as a judge) and he will pretty much say "What say the DA?" <-- translation: "What do you want me to do to this guy?" And whatever the DA says they want is what the judge is GOING TO DO. Fuck the law, fuck your lawyer... as a matter of fact fuck everything you think you know about the justice system, the court systems and how it is if you don't already know this simple truth about the US Justice system.
Trust me if they find him he don't have a chance. If they find any of the vendors, we don't have a chance. SR and the vendors are putting their necks on the chopping block every day in faith that the technological advances of the brightest minds are ahead of typical government efficiency. I dont remember how many counts it was against the Elysion Hearts dude over at OVDB but I do remember that they just wrote up enough to ensure he would spend LIFE in prison and let it be at that... and even if he beat some of that shit, they will just indict him AGAIN on some more NEW charges, they can pull them out of thin air basically once they decide the want you and they identify you.
Stay frosty and dont be an easy fish to fry!
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Don't quote me on this, I am not a lawyer. But, as I understand it, the Silk Road qualifies as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. The only thing worse than this is being an Al-Qaeda member being held in gitmo. The following applies for CCE's:
The Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute (commonly referred to as CCE Statute or The Kingpin Statute) is a United States federal law that targets large-scale drug traffickers who are responsible for long-term and elaborate drug conspiracies. Unlike the RICO Act, which covers a wide range of organized crime enterprises, the CCE statute covers only major narcotics organizations. CCE is codified as Chapter 13 of Title 21 of the United States Code, 21 U.S.C. § 848. The statute makes it a federal crime to commit or conspire to commit a continuing series of felony violations of the 1970 Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act when such acts are taken in concert with 5 or more other persons. For conviction under this statute, the offender must have been an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from the drug violations.[1]
The sentence for a first CCE conviction is a mandatory minimum 20 years' imprisonment (with a maximum of life imprisonment), a fine of not more than $2 million, and forfeiture of profits and any interest in the enterprise. Under the so-called "super kingpin" provision added as subsection (b) to the CCE statute in 1984, a person convicted of being a "principal" administrator, organizer, or leader of a criminal enterprise that either involves a large amount of narcotics (at least 300 times the quantity that would trigger a 5-year mandatory-minimum sentence for possession), or generates a large amount of money (at least $10 million in gross receipts during a single year), must serve a mandatory life sentence without possibility of parole (sometimes referred to as a "living death" or "pine box" sentence, since the offender is strictly ineligible for release while alive). Anyone engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise who intentionally kills a person or causes an intentional killing may be sentenced to death. Probation, parole, and suspension of the sentence are prohibited.
In addition, they can seize all assets in anyway related to the enterprise.
Yes and lets not forget about sentencing enhancements such as "Mastermind" and "Weapons" involvement. Oh yeh, and that little thing called "conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States of America" Oh, an you can tack on whatever the charges are on the indictment PLUS the additional charges of the "Conspiracy" to commit the very same offenses that typically carry the same sentence as if you actually DID IT (well, you did have to conspire to do it before you did it.) Yes, so if you have a 157 count indictment for various charges (easy to do, trust me) you can tack on 157 MORE for the conspiracy to do those very same things making a grand total of 314 count indictment with anywhere from 1-25/life sentence per charge.
Frankly, I believe that he could be charged with CCE the total amount of SR transactions (at least 80,000 now) individually, distribution, conspiracy to distribute (yes, thats 80,000 more), using the US Postal systems to send drugs (80,000 more), aid and abet all of the above (80,000 more) ... and thats not even getting into the criminal IRS related charges (ummm yeh, thats alot...) and thats just off the top of my head shooting from the hip... if I was a US Attorney I could pump out a 500,000 count indictment against him easily, and more would be child's play. Considering that each count carries its OWN INDIVIDUAL MINIMUM MANDATORY SENTENCE according to the sentencing guidelines... well lets just say "Life x1000" or more would be reasonable. No wonder some just yell "THUG LIFE" and let the trigger fly rather than being caught up in a lifetime of misery in a 8x10 cell... don't have no illusions if your playing this game... I don't fear blood, its ink that I fear the most. See, you just cant fight a 300 count indictment much less a 500,000 count one, its just not financially feasible for the Rothschilds even.
If they catch this dude, basically you can forget the "law" and all that cause they GONNA put him in a USP Marion supermax with John Gotti and throw away the key. Perhaps even under the prison in extra "special housing" lol... really, the fact is it don't matter WHAT you THINK the law says, when they get to court the Judge will basically look at the DA (who represents the entity who writes his payroll checks and backs his authority as a judge) and he will pretty much say "What say the DA?" <-- translation: "What do you want me to do to this guy?" And whatever the DA says they want is what the judge is GOING TO DO. Fuck the law, fuck your lawyer... as a matter of fact fuck everything you think you know about the justice system, the court systems and how it is if you don't already know this simple truth about the US Justice system.
Trust me if they find him he don't have a chance. If they find any of the vendors, we don't have a chance. SR and the vendors are putting their necks on the chopping block every day in faith that the technological advances of the brightest minds are ahead of typical government efficiency. I dont remember how many counts it was against the Elysion Hearts dude over at OVDB but I do remember that they just wrote up enough to ensure he would spend LIFE in prison and let it be at that... and even if he beat some of that shit, they will just indict him AGAIN on some more NEW charges, they can pull them out of thin air basically once they decide the want you and they identify you.
Stay frosty and dont be an easy fish to fry!
Yeah, if you check out the wiki page on CCE's & the RICO act they have famous cases where the laws were applied. I was also thinking the same thing for SR, since he gets a cut from every sale technically each sale is a count. If I were SR or a top vendor I'd have a cyanide vile round my neck. No way I'm going away for 100's possibly 1000's of years.
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I think SR is Dutch.
so none of the american terminology even applies.
ya but the US would probably love to get him/her extradited and EU countries seem pretty fucking willing to comply with such requests these days.
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Don't quote me on this, I am not a lawyer. But, as I understand it, the Silk Road qualifies as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. The only thing worse than this is being an Al-Qaeda member being held in gitmo. The following applies for CCE's:
The Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute (commonly referred to as CCE Statute or The Kingpin Statute) is a United States federal law that targets large-scale drug traffickers who are responsible for long-term and elaborate drug conspiracies. Unlike the RICO Act, which covers a wide range of organized crime enterprises, the CCE statute covers only major narcotics organizations. CCE is codified as Chapter 13 of Title 21 of the United States Code, 21 U.S.C. § 848. The statute makes it a federal crime to commit or conspire to commit a continuing series of felony violations of the 1970 Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act when such acts are taken in concert with 5 or more other persons. For conviction under this statute, the offender must have been an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from the drug violations.[1]
The sentence for a first CCE conviction is a mandatory minimum 20 years' imprisonment (with a maximum of life imprisonment), a fine of not more than $2 million, and forfeiture of profits and any interest in the enterprise. Under the so-called "super kingpin" provision added as subsection (b) to the CCE statute in 1984, a person convicted of being a "principal" administrator, organizer, or leader of a criminal enterprise that either involves a large amount of narcotics (at least 300 times the quantity that would trigger a 5-year mandatory-minimum sentence for possession), or generates a large amount of money (at least $10 million in gross receipts during a single year), must serve a mandatory life sentence without possibility of parole (sometimes referred to as a "living death" or "pine box" sentence, since the offender is strictly ineligible for release while alive). Anyone engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise who intentionally kills a person or causes an intentional killing may be sentenced to death. Probation, parole, and suspension of the sentence are prohibited.
In addition, they can seize all assets in anyway related to the enterprise.
Silk Road admin would certainly be charged with running a continuing criminal enterprise if not RICO. He would most likely get a life sentence, or what amounts to one. Even if he is just charged for fairly large scale money laundering (which he is clearly guilty of running a mix for drug money) he would be facing twenty five years on that charge alone.
Mods of this forum would also face similar sentences for being in authority positions. Although technically anyone who participates in illegal activity on this forum could be charged as a RICO participant, if you are charged under RICO you can get charged for the crimes of the enterprise rather than charged with your specific crimes. Participating on silk road or any other forum like this is not likely to get you a slap on the wrist, almost everyone who participates here in USA could face a life sentence if they wanted to give you one. Of course they will not give 150,000 people life sentences though. SR is kind of strange in that it is easily the largest (participant wise) named drug trafficking organization in the history of the world. Most DTO are considered large if they have a few thousand participants. The internet makes having over a hundred thousand participants operating under the same organization name much easier. The laws on the books certainly technically apply to SR participants, but the gov didn't have organizations like SR in mind when they made the laws (after all they probably don't want to give you a life sentence for ordering a gram of weed, even though by ordering a gram of weed here you are technically capable of being charged with RICO violations due to the structure of this organization).
Under the Ryan Haight act it is actually illegal for American citizens to even have an account on this forum, since it is a website with the primary goal of trafficking in scheduled drugs.
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Conspiracy to distribute (List every drug, firearm, and virtual good ever sold on SR and the amount). He'll be doing a few hundred years.
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I dont remember how many counts it was against the Elysion Hearts dude over at OVDB but I do remember that they just wrote up enough to ensure he would spend LIFE in prison and let it be at that... and even if he beat some of that shit, they will just indict him AGAIN on some more NEW charges, they can pull them out of thin air basically once they decide the want you and they identify you.
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What's the story behind that case? Don't really know anything about OVDB except that a few vendors were busted...
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I dont remember how many counts it was against the Elysion Hearts dude over at OVDB but I do remember that they just wrote up enough to ensure he would spend LIFE in prison and let it be at that... and even if he beat some of that shit, they will just indict him AGAIN on some more NEW charges, they can pull them out of thin air basically once they decide the want you and they identify you.
What's the story behind that case? Don't really know anything about OVDB except that a few vendors were busted...
Only Enelysion was busted, although he was one of the top vendors. The department of homeland security pwnt him. They also had an on going investigation into OVDB, although I don't know if they do anymore since it is gone now.
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Well, considering that OVDB has somewhat technically moved to here I would say that by proxy the investigation has moved here as well. Besides, to think that there is no investigation of SR going on is not only reckless but just plain ol' ignorant. At least thats my opinion.
The indictment for Enelysion was basically resulting due to his/her refusal to stop ordering LSD from out of the country to the same mailing address, the address they operated their OVDB business out of. Customs had accrued several seized shipments to the same address so they asked the Illinois State Police to join them and have a look into the situation. They observed some unusual activity, such as him dropping lots of mail into a postal box and they of course checked it out and what do you know, they discovered that they were shipping LSD thru the US Postal System... plus a lot of other things like some dude had recently died at their place recently... I think they found pill presses or dies as well.. just a very careless illegal operation all together.
Moral is dont order a bunch of illegal shit repeatedly to the address that items were seized in route too. Especially after one is seized, to your home or place of vending business if your a vendor.
I dont think they want any small fish, thereby giving away the fact that they are actively watching.. they want the big prize: SR himself or perhaps a large vendor or two so as to shake things up at a very minimum... sniper style... take the head out and the body dies. Busting a few regular customers would be worthless and more so blow the fact that they REALLY are watching. They don't want the small change, they want the big ones.
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I don't know who said "great first post" because I can't quote that far back but I am ROTFL right now because of it.
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They would probably charge him with 80,000 counts of BEING A FUCKING BALLER. But on a more serious note, there is probably much less probability of SR being caught than Enelysion. Enelysion was doing something observable and messy. The government is much better at tracking down drug dealers than online hidden services, considering they haven't done the latter. If I were him, I would definitely take Enes advice of keeping a cyanide capsule around, unless of course he is in Russia or something like that.
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Straight Ballin' charge - minimum manditory of 5-10
Still Ballin' charge - minimum manditory of 25-life
Ballin with intent to confuse federal agents - minimum manditory 15-20
Ballin' all up in US Senators faces - 25-life
It might as well read that on the indictment cause it dont matter what they write cause it'll be life plus.
Oh and dont think they dont go get peoples asses from other countries and bring them back to NOT America (example: Guantanamo, Cuba) cause they can and will. Best just not to be found. Drugs and funding of terrorism are routinely tied together by government propaganda... terrorism justifies use of military assets... Seal Team Six? If they really want too... they can.. who the hell is going to stop them?
Godspeed Mr SR and to all of us, may our collective intelligence stay a few steps ahead of the oppressive knuckle dragging morons that are the sock puppets of the worlds elite that wish to keep us all enslaved.
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I think SR is Dutch.
so none of the american terminology even applies.
ya but the US would probably love to get him/her extradited and EU countries seem pretty fucking willing to comply with such requests these days.
Because a huge number of orders are from the USA they will definitely press for his extradition and will most likely get it. Same way that it happened to Marc Emery for selling pot seeds online from Canada because too many customers were Americans and the DEA didn't like that very much.
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Well, considering that OVDB has somewhat technically moved to here I would say that by proxy the investigation has moved here as well. Besides, to think that there is no investigation of SR going on is not only reckless but just plain ol' ignorant. At least thats my opinion.
The indictment for Enelysion was basically resulting due to his/her refusal to stop ordering LSD from out of the country to the same mailing address, the address they operated their OVDB business out of. Customs had accrued several seized shipments to the same address so they asked the Illinois State Police to join them and have a look into the situation. They observed some unusual activity, such as him dropping lots of mail into a postal box and they of course checked it out and what do you know, they discovered that they were shipping LSD thru the US Postal System... plus a lot of other things like some dude had recently died at their place recently... I think they found pill presses or dies as well.. just a very careless illegal operation all together.
Moral is dont order a bunch of illegal shit repeatedly to the address that items were seized in route too. Especially after one is seized, to your home or place of vending business if your a vendor.
I dont think they want any small fish, thereby giving away the fact that they are actively watching.. they want the big prize: SR himself or perhaps a large vendor or two so as to shake things up at a very minimum... sniper style... take the head out and the body dies. Busting a few regular customers would be worthless and more so blow the fact that they REALLY are watching. They don't want the small change, they want the big ones.
I hadn't heard about the OVDB bust till recently. How do you know the details of how Enelysion got pinched?
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I have heard someone informed on him and he was careless, used same shipping, and locations for long periods. But nothing seems to be generally available on the internet.
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The man who put all this together ain't no dummy.. Most law enforcement are fuckin idiots, but when you get to this level you attract the attention of the smart/crafty/crooked pigs. The key is to keep them guessing, don't fall into patterns.. I'm sure dude knows all this shit. God bless the dude, if SR stands the test of time it could truly be a revolution in the way people acquire their vice... but if shit ever hit the fan, it's gonna be alot of federal time on all types of blown up charges, he would be a martyr of sorts and some other bright-minded hustler would have to pick up the torch n run with it.
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Well, considering that OVDB has somewhat technically moved to here I would say that by proxy the investigation has moved here as well. Besides, to think that there is no investigation of SR going on is not only reckless but just plain ol' ignorant. At least thats my opinion.
The indictment for Enelysion was basically resulting due to his/her refusal to stop ordering LSD from out of the country to the same mailing address, the address they operated their OVDB business out of. Customs had accrued several seized shipments to the same address so they asked the Illinois State Police to join them and have a look into the situation. They observed some unusual activity, such as him dropping lots of mail into a postal box and they of course checked it out and what do you know, they discovered that they were shipping LSD thru the US Postal System... plus a lot of other things like some dude had recently died at their place recently... I think they found pill presses or dies as well.. just a very careless illegal operation all together.
Moral is dont order a bunch of illegal shit repeatedly to the address that items were seized in route too. Especially after one is seized, to your home or place of vending business if your a vendor.
I dont think they want any small fish, thereby giving away the fact that they are actively watching.. they want the big prize: SR himself or perhaps a large vendor or two so as to shake things up at a very minimum... sniper style... take the head out and the body dies. Busting a few regular customers would be worthless and more so blow the fact that they REALLY are watching. They don't want the small change, they want the big ones.
I hadn't heard about the OVDB bust till recently. How do you know the details of how Enelysion got pinched?
Ill tell ya where I heard it: The Knowing Place. Since I told ya where I heard it I might as well tell ya where I get all my drugs from too: The Getting Place. lol... asking where someone heard things or gets things is not really the kinda question you ask in this profession.
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"Ill tell ya where I heard it: The Knowing Place. Since I told ya where I heard it I might as well tell ya where I get all my drugs from too: The Getting Place. lol... asking where someone heard things or gets things is not really the kinda question you ask in this profession." ---Paperchasing
GRRREEEAT!! DUDE, come on man!! NOW EVERYONE KNOWS!! You should have stuck w/a sarcastic remark or not said anything at all. IMHO. Now the internet will be flooded with misinformation and dumbasses. Way to go, paper. Whats next? No wait!! Don't say it!! ; P
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Don't quote me on this, I am not a lawyer. But, as I understand it, the Silk Road qualifies as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. The only thing worse than this is being an Al-Qaeda member being held in gitmo. The following applies for CCE's:
The Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute (commonly referred to as CCE Statute or The Kingpin Statute) is a United States federal law that targets large-scale drug traffickers who are responsible for long-term and elaborate drug conspiracies. Unlike the RICO Act, which covers a wide range of organized crime enterprises, the CCE statute covers only major narcotics organizations. CCE is codified as Chapter 13 of Title 21 of the United States Code, 21 U.S.C. § 848. The statute makes it a federal crime to commit or conspire to commit a continuing series of felony violations of the 1970 Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act when such acts are taken in concert with 5 or more other persons. For conviction under this statute, the offender must have been an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from the drug violations.[1]
The sentence for a first CCE conviction is a mandatory minimum 20 years' imprisonment (with a maximum of life imprisonment), a fine of not more than $2 million, and forfeiture of profits and any interest in the enterprise. Under the so-called "super kingpin" provision added as subsection (b) to the CCE statute in 1984, a person convicted of being a "principal" administrator, organizer, or leader of a criminal enterprise that either involves a large amount of narcotics (at least 300 times the quantity that would trigger a 5-year mandatory-minimum sentence for possession), or generates a large amount of money (at least $10 million in gross receipts during a single year), must serve a mandatory life sentence without possibility of parole (sometimes referred to as a "living death" or "pine box" sentence, since the offender is strictly ineligible for release while alive). Anyone engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise who intentionally kills a person or causes an intentional killing may be sentenced to death. Probation, parole, and suspension of the sentence are prohibited.
In addition, they can seize all assets in anyway related to the enterprise.
Wouldnt this only apply to crimes committed in the us, or more specifically if sr itself was hosted in the us. Im mean sure people from the usa use sr but wouldnt it depend on where sr is hosted? If it is in fact hosted in just one country?
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"Ill tell ya where I heard it: The Knowing Place. Since I told ya where I heard it I might as well tell ya where I get all my drugs from too: The Getting Place. lol... asking where someone heard things or gets things is not really the kinda question you ask in this profession." ---Paperchasing
GRRREEEAT!! DUDE, come on man!! NOW EVERYONE KNOWS!! You should have stuck w/a sarcastic remark or not said anything at all. IMHO. Now the internet will be flooded with misinformation and dumbasses. Way to go, paper. Whats next? No wait!! Don't say it!! ; P
Oh no, uh ohh... I see now there's been a recent rash of google searches for "Knowing place" and "Getting place." I can hear the LE conversation right now: Butthead: "BEAVIS!!! I've figured it out dumbass!! All we have to do now is find the knowing & getting place and we got this all figured out!" Beavis: "heh hehe heh yeh yeh heh hhe yea and we're gonna see some boobs too heh heh yea..."
hahaaa...
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Oh no, uh ohh... I see now there's been a recent rash of google searches for "Knowing place" and "Getting place." I can hear the LE conversation right now: Butthead: "BEAVIS!!! I've figured it out dumbass!! All we have to do now is find the knowing & getting place and we got this all figured out!" Beavis: "heh hehe heh yeh yeh heh hhe yea and we're gonna see some boobs too heh heh yea..."
HA!!!! Absolutely classic. ;D We're finally going to score, Beavis!
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Don't quote me on this, I am not a lawyer. But, as I understand it, the Silk Road qualifies as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. The only thing worse than this is being an Al-Qaeda member being held in gitmo. The following applies for CCE's:
The Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute (commonly referred to as CCE Statute or The Kingpin Statute) is a United States federal law that targets large-scale drug traffickers who are responsible for long-term and elaborate drug conspiracies. Unlike the RICO Act, which covers a wide range of organized crime enterprises, the CCE statute covers only major narcotics organizations. CCE is codified as Chapter 13 of Title 21 of the United States Code, 21 U.S.C. § 848. The statute makes it a federal crime to commit or conspire to commit a continuing series of felony violations of the 1970 Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act when such acts are taken in concert with 5 or more other persons. For conviction under this statute, the offender must have been an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from the drug violations.[1]
The sentence for a first CCE conviction is a mandatory minimum 20 years' imprisonment (with a maximum of life imprisonment), a fine of not more than $2 million, and forfeiture of profits and any interest in the enterprise. Under the so-called "super kingpin" provision added as subsection (b) to the CCE statute in 1984, a person convicted of being a "principal" administrator, organizer, or leader of a criminal enterprise that either involves a large amount of narcotics (at least 300 times the quantity that would trigger a 5-year mandatory-minimum sentence for possession), or generates a large amount of money (at least $10 million in gross receipts during a single year), must serve a mandatory life sentence without possibility of parole (sometimes referred to as a "living death" or "pine box" sentence, since the offender is strictly ineligible for release while alive). Anyone engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise who intentionally kills a person or causes an intentional killing may be sentenced to death. Probation, parole, and suspension of the sentence are prohibited.
In addition, they can seize all assets in anyway related to the enterprise.
Wouldnt this only apply to crimes committed in the us, or more specifically if sr itself was hosted in the us. Im mean sure people from the usa use sr but wouldnt it depend on where sr is hosted? If it is in fact hosted in just one country?
You are correct. LEO from where he is should have jurisdiction. However since a lot of packages are sent to the USA, the Feds will push for extradition. That's the same thing that happened to Marc Emery. He was selling weed seeds via mail order from Canada (selling seeds is not illegal there) and some orders went to the USA. He is currently sitting is a US Federal Correctional Facility. The DEA pushed hard for his extradition and political strings were pulled. They had to get him. It was a political thing. He's a political prisoner. He's kinda like the Canadian Silk Road except he wasn't anonymous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Emery
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Again, I must say the DEA did *NOT have jurisdiction in Vancouver* but it WAS THE DEA that actually RAIDED MARC EMORYS SHOP, remember??? Fuck how its supposed to be when its this hot, they gonna roll however they like and I promise you that it wont be pretty if they figure out where any of us bigger fishes are NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY WE'RE IN.
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It seems Canadian police arrested him on the DEA's behalf. Bullshit nonetheless.
American (foreign/domestic/drug) policy is such a joke.
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Again, I must say the DEA did *NOT have jurisdiction in Vancouver* but it WAS THE DEA that actually RAIDED MARC EMORYS SHOP, remember??? Fuck how its supposed to be when its this hot, they gonna roll however they like and I promise you that it wont be pretty if they figure out where any of us bigger fishes are NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY WE'RE IN.
yes, they didn't have jurisdiction. But when it comes to diplomatic arm twisting, the law is whatever they say it is.