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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: spirit on October 29, 2011, 05:57 pm
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Well,
Hi to norman and every one else,This may come as a shock to some of you but i have been sitting on this one for some while.
Made 3 purchases from mseller,Waited weeks for anything to arrive,Then i got my double order,mixed it up with distilled water and made a 1mg/cc solution ,which should last for a while 50mgs oral /day or 2x25mgs,is great What a dissapointment when the hit came on in 20mins.(methadone even lqd or pills takes an hour),Then it was a horrible mongy hit,in all i took50mgs ,during the morning,the hit was almost instant.Then it was a horrible brain numbing hit,almost like a major tranquiliser,I couldnt wait for it to wear off,and get back to regular prescribed methadone,what a relife when it started to wear off after a couple of hours,gone in 6hrs compleatly
I then look up about mseller ,In one thread he joked about hey guys you wont need to take benzos.Even he admmited something was not right with the stuff.
So i contact him saying wtf is this stuff,ive waited weeks for,and befor i have time to ask him to please cancell the third order ,hes canceled.it (after i had left one good feedback for him double order)to prevent me leaving more feedback.
And now he is saying he still has my address lying around somewhere,and will not tolerate any abuse ,and i must leave him 5out of 5 for feedback with no revisions.
Needless to say i was horrified and appauled,to be threatened like this What did he intend to do with my address .So at the time i left him 5 out of 5.Hopefully he has lost my address by now,and i can tell you all, what he and his fake gear is realy like
Needless to say i didnt get any refund,and thaught that was the end of the affair. Loosing over $200
But as ime making revised feedback for him today,i see in his listings a big piece on me,calling me a pennieless troll trying to extort money from him WTF.
I think if you read his listings you can see how he is trying to protect his ponzy scam,calling everyone mistrustfull,Making out that most customers have habits ,are ignorant, and have no money !. Most of his customers have never had methadone or a script befor,so thay dont have anything to compair it with.Thay just want a hit for the weekend or whatever.Their computor literate and can afford to run pcs(i dont know of any street junkies being on SR.
Hes a bad apple guys and gals,and his gear sucks,i wouldnt risk putting that shit up a vein.The stuff that was made into solution had mold in it after a week .
If you think his gear is good then thats fine with me each to thier own but one day you will realise when you have the real thing what a methadone high is like ,ime not here for profit ,ime here to have a good time ,and protect others.But this guy is fucking you over with god knows what ,and its certanly not united states pharmacy grade methadone like he said it was.
And he can rant and rave as much as he likes and slag anyone who should critisise him or his product the truth is finaly out.
If anyone wants a special order for the other half gram thats unopened its up for resale,lol
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Well,
Hi to norman and every one else,This may come as a shock to some of you but i have been sitting on this one for some while.
Made 3 purchases from mseller,Waited weeks for anything to arrive,Then i got my double order,mixed it up with distilled water and made a 1mg/cc solution ,which should last for a while 50mgs oral /day or 2x25mgs,is great What a dissapointment when the hit came on in 20mins.(methadone even lqd or pills takes an hour),Then it was a horrible mongy hit,in all i took50mgs ,during the morning,the hit was almost instant.Then it was a horrible brain numbing hit,almost like a major tranquiliser,I couldnt wait for it to wear off,and get back to regular prescribed methadone,what a relife when it started to wear off after a couple of hours,gone in 6hrs compleatly
I then look up about mseller ,In one thread he joked about hey guys you wont need to take benzos.Even he admmited something was not right with the stuff.
So i contact him saying wtf is this stuff,ive waited weeks for,and befor i have time to ask him to please cancell the third order ,hes canceled.it (after i had left one good feedback for him double order)to prevent me leaving more feedback.
And now he is saying he still has my address lying around somewhere,and will not tolerate any abuse ,and i must leave him 5out of 5 for feedback with no revisions.
Needless to say i was horrified and appauled,to be threatened like this What did he intend to do with my address .So at the time i left him 5 out of 5.Hopefully he has lost my address by now,and i can tell you all, what he and his fake gear is realy like
Needless to say i didnt get any refund,and thaught that was the end of the affair. Loosing over $200
But as ime making revised feedback for him today,i see in his listings a big piece on me,calling me a pennieless troll trying to extort money from him WTF.
I think if you read his listings you can see how he is trying to protect his ponzy scam,calling everyone mistrustfull,Making out that most customers have habits ,are ignorant, and have no money !. Most of his customers have never had methadone or a script befor,so thay dont have anything to compair it with.Thay just want a hit for the weekend or whatever.Their computor literate and can afford to run pcs(i dont know of any street junkies being on SR.
Hes a bad apple guys and gals,and his gear sucks,i wouldnt risk putting that shit up a vein.The stuff that was made into solution had mold in it after a week .
If you think his gear is good then thats fine with me each to thier own but one day you will realise when you have the real thing what a methadone high is like ,ime not here for profit ,ime here to have a good time ,and protect others.But this guy is fucking you over with god knows what ,and its certanly not united states pharmacy grade methadone like he said it was.
And he can rant and rave as much as he likes and slag anyone who should critisise him or his product the truth is finaly out.
If anyone wants a special order for the other half gram thats unopened its up for resale,lol
Well, here is a link of spirit matter; he just can not grow up.
At mid of august he got his 2x500mg what he ordered at once (then I did not for "repeated buyer" rule and 500mg cost $70. To add it were not hedged and I lost $80 out of $140 total.
Just my response of his alleged claim lost over $200.
Spirit, do you really think that people are stupid? I dont know what is your problem, but man...you have serious mental issues.
So you are ranting now and waited for 2 month just because I have your address, and what changed? You are hoping that I have lost it? No, I still got it safely stored on encrypted drive to prevent of fraud buyers like you so they do not order more to get a refund and free product what they lie that never arrive.Can happen once and all you got a refund, but twice..you cant!
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4362.msg36381#msg36381
You want a refund now....e.g. 2 month after delivery? :o ??? Sorry, no can do. WHY YOU DO NOT MENTION THAT? ASK YOUR LOCAL DEALER 2 MONTH AFTER DELIVERY.
Why you have purchased 3 times (true:one purchase) if product was not good? You are crazy ass :o You got stumbled in your own lies there were to many lies to memorise - YOU GOT A SNAKE EYES
If something were wrong you would post it 2 month ago and not waited till today to start a rant? Where you have been? In some other time dimension,maybe?
Earlier you said that I somehow prevented to leave a bad feedback (how I can prevent it?), but only today you were able to really change it. (you did not even know that you can change feedback,and that why you lies about blackmail)
Why would I need to threat you? What I can do with your address? To call police? To sue you? What? Why? What I have from that, does not make any sense. I can only wipe my ass if I print it on paper. Its so lame and pathetic.
In my book somebody who threat is like a little pudle dog barking on the moon. Be a man and do something if you defend your face and honor, never threat!
Your post show that you are smartest and most experienced person alive! ::)
I have an logbook on my encrypted drive where I look and confirm buyers and to prevent those who want to take advantage of my refund policy. (You have done that already when you purchased two time under other name and got refund and free product, last try (10 days ago) is poor attempt of getting refund for product delivered 2 month ago as you could not order under other name any more, cos I have blacklisted area). And that is a true reason why you are posting and ranting here.
I have my honor and with such ridicouls claims that I have threat you, I would just exposed my self and been banned. You would called admin and moderators if that really happened (with prove of course, its so easy to lie without basis.)
Other who have read your previous post and always changing story now can see how irrational and deeply disturbed person really are.
You are a vendor for 4month on SR with 10 transaction. And you are selling for the fun sake? Come on..you are wasting seller account, there are so many people who wait because they are NOT on SR for fun, they want to offer and sell items. Incredible!!
I will repeat even that serves no purpose because spirit does not listen to anybody. It was a summer peak, mid of august, methadone is amine, it can oxidise, you could got a bad batch, somebody could made a mistake or been scammed, this is far from prefect world, order from 27.07. and delivered 12.08. If something happened to your order and many things could, you should inform me after delivery and not wait two month !!!? But your claim is bogus, that is clear and obvious.
All of you, please check his and confirm how old his feedback is and when he were delivered.BTW he was able to change it today and before he did not knew that he can as he would done that 10 days ago when he started with silly accusations. And to add, this is a reason his vogue explanation and no sense about preventing him with blackmail, Holly shit what a crazy man.
I am not on SR for the fun and take this very serious. You are not here for helping, you are not doing what you claim, when you have help anybody and gave some advice? I have read your only harmful suggestion what show how ignorant you are.
I have never encounter such a ignorant prick like spirit is.
BTW; I do not know what is going on lately but I had several attempts to take advantage of my refund policy. One of them, really pathetic request that he bought from me 25 days ago but no delivered and asked an refund. When I check it, user were unknown and his profile said 10 days old account!? ??? ??? When I pm him asking trans# and purchase username he stopped with mesagges.
I mean; if somebody wrote me good "story" and amuse me with it ;D, i would just send him for free, but lame BS even worst illogical shit I will just ignore from now on.
People think that if English is not my primary language or I do not have any info that I am naive and stupid?
Worst thing is that if buyer had bought and left feedback, and that if his insiane demands are refused, often change prior feedback to negative as vendetta.
Seller can not do anything about it, sr admin will not get involved. I and other vendors with this kind of situation can defend with reasonable arguments and count on people common sense of deciding which side is credible.
Your case is closed and dismissed! I will just stop to waste my time and energy and ignore you.
*********UPDATE 01.01.2012.
Spirit, you are dishonest and rotten to the teeth.
No that you have only listed 500mg item to sell what you have bought to me 2 month prior but knowingly you sell something what you rate as fake!!? How come?
So maybe posibility is that one of two pack were bad batch? But when you listed it you claim you never opened second pack (wander why and seriously doubt that) and that you have bought it by mistake :o
Anyhow, even you might be tampered with second pack, buyer who bought it from you rated it 5/5 feedback - that conclude all your bs lies
Now, you have listed it 500mg (spirit has a vendor account) saying in the description that you have bought it from me by mistake (?) and that is intact what is not true because you opened it.
Anyhow, buyer who bought it (2 week ago) rated that transaction 5/5 so you can drop you false and outrageous accusations.
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Theres an old saying.. you can fool all the people some of the time but you carnt fool all the people all the time (tomseller)
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Looks like hes lost his tongue he can only reply with links.lol
Belive me if it was any good i would be buying more,
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I have ordered quite a bit of methadone from mseller. I have taken methadone A LOT. Its a good product IMO. I'm tired of even seeing these threads. Mseller is a good dude anyway, he wouldn't screw anyone on purpose... this is getting old.
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yea dude, Mseller is tried and true. You are just making yourself look like an ass.
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It still doesnt excuse his behavior,what ive posted is 100%legit. ive got better things to do than sit on forums.
why didnt he offer a resolution/refund the day the order arrived and i contacted him about it,No nothing of the sort,just bombarded with messages.and threats.
Everyone who comes here is new to start with,is there any other way to get a refund other than asking mseller,
His actions speak for themselves, posting compleat trash about me on his listings instead of using the forum,Hes not truthfull or genuine. .If you carnt spot a confidence trickster advertiising usp grade methadone well tough.
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I mean; if somebody wrote me good "story" and amuse me with it ;D, i would just send him for free, but lame BS even worst illogical shit I will just ignore from now on.
Ok, so here is what happened with my order from you. I ordered from you ages ago... don't ask me when cause that will just complicate the issue. Just trust me ;) I did.
So there I was sitting waiting for your order to arrive, and to your credit, you did actually send it, but what I got was not what I ordered. It was glowing green and had the strangest smell of mint coming off it. I set it down on the counter to examine it, but a flock of geese crashed into my upstairs windows. I had to tend to the poorly geese when it happened. There was a minor explosion in the kitchen where I had set the order. Now I don't know about you, but that couldn't have been what I ordered and would like a full refund please. :D
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It still doesnt excuse his behavior,what ive posted is 100%legit. ive got better things to do than sit on forums.
why didnt he offer a resolution/refund the day the order arrived and i contacted him about it,No nothing of the sort,just bombarded with messages.and threats.
Everyone who comes here is new to start with,is there any other way to get a refund other than asking mseller,
His actions speak for themselves, posting compleat trash about me on his listings instead of using the forum,Hes not truthfull or genuine. .If you carnt spot a confidence trickster advertiising usp grade methadone well tough.
His behavior? "I've got better things to do than sit on forums."
Please, the only one whose behavior is in question seems to be yours. Every time I take a quick look around the forum's, there seems to be another badly worded, rambling diatribe from you.
And each and every time numerous members, trusted members, take the time to post that they are very happy with msellers product, that they have been doing methadone for years, and that they like what he is selling.
Yet, just like a bad penny, up you pop a few days later, with exactly the same rant. It's getting old. Go away. You have had your fifteen minutes.
All you are doing is wasting your time and ours, you aren't making any converts nor winning anyone to your side.
Bye. Bye.
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Am I the only one uncomfortable with the idea that a vendor will hold on to a buyers address and not delete it the moment they send stuff out?
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Am I the only one uncomfortable with the idea that a vendor will hold on to a buyers address and not delete it the moment they send stuff out?
Please, this is far down the list of my worries. Rule number one 'Only care about things you can do something about'.
There is no way to enforce this rule. No matter what restrictions you put on the entry and capturing of the address information, in the end it comes down to trust. Either you trust your vendor or you don't, because sure as the sun is coming up tomorrow (It is, isn't it :) ) there is no way to stop them from keeping a record of your address.
Your only real tool in the fight is the forums. READ THE FORUMS. Search for threads about your prospective vendor, but use some common sense as well.
There is a lot of talk about vendors scamming people, but I'll be honest, there seems to be a lot of buyer's scamming vendors for refunds, re-sends and from what looks like just simple spite.
The next time you read the negative post of some guy who has 5 posts, look around to see what other users are saying about the same vendor. If you are thinking of getting something from the vendor, PM them and see what they have to say, if the vendor says delivery standard delivery is 6-10 days and you have several pople complaining about non-delivery's because it's been 4 days and they haven't got theirs yet, wait a few days and see what happens. But don't start throwing out comments like 'my friend ordered and has not received theirs yet'. They call that Hearsay. If you friend wants to post about it, let him, don't do it for them, you just make the waters even muddier.
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Am I the only one uncomfortable with the idea that a vendor will hold on to a buyers address and not delete it the moment they send stuff out?
For the record, yes I am very uncomfortable. I always thought it was standard MO to delete addresses. Some vendors state that in their profile, but I thought they were being redundant. So I was shocked myself when I read that. Sucks.
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From my profile:
Most of order are international and after some time I kept only post code blacklisted areas.
Buyers information are safely stored in encrypted format without names and other order details, among inserted hundreds of bogus addresses from yellow pages. That files is not stored at Mseller location and there are not traces leading to files at Mseller location in the event of Mseller bust and compromised computer and location. Mseller need to protect from buyer fraud who claim that product is not delivered and try to order again. Mseller best interest is safety of customers, and he always keep in mind and work to make it more secure.
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This whole thread is weird. I've had orders take over 20 days to arrive so 25 days is not unusual IMO. However how can you ask for a refund after 2 months??? The transaction is done and dusted, unless the buyer is trying to extort a vendor with threats of changing feedback. If that is the case then I bring up the point that being able to change feedback is bad.
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I agree with you on your changing feedback point, rake.
A buyer should only have a limited amount of time to edit feedback. What happens if someone's account gets phished and someone feels like begin an even huger asshole than they already are, and decided to go back and edit down all of the feedback to 1/5. I'm not sure if there is already a limit in place, but if not there damned well shoudl be. Even 10 days or something.
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A limit on how long you are allowed to change your feedback makes sense. Something like 60 days. That pretty much covers even the longest delayed delivery. I have had a couple of deliveries take 30-40 days, so 60 should give lots of time to get the feedback right.
Feedback is becoming a real problem with all these vendors requiring early buyers to finalize before they will ship. Basically the vendors are getting 5/5 feedback for taking the buyers money early. Doesn't seem right. This whole release early tidal wave is changing the entire reason for SR and the escrow system.
It has made it that much easier for sellers to scam large amounts of BTC out of users. I am not saying I have seen anyone do this yet, just that it makes it easier. They do a large number of early, small orders, just getting started, all with early release. Then with their now higher status and great feedback scores they open up for larger orders, with early release. They could pull in thousands of BTC before the feedback editing and forum messages caught up to them.
When the majority of vendors were going through escrow, at least the money was being held by SR and if it looked like a vendor was going south the buyers had a fallback postion.
On the other hand, letting buyers go back after 2-3 months and edit their feedback to a vendor from 5's to 1's because the vendor wouldn't give them a deal on their current prices is wrong. It leaves the vendors open to feedback blackmail.
I think we really need some changes to the entire feedback system. Maybe split feedback into three or more numbers. One for quality, one for Customer Service and one for Shipping. Right now you have buyers giving 3 or 4 out of 5 because they just don't seem to realize it can take awhile for some things to ship and even if letter mail you have gotten three times before in 6 days doesn't mean it won't take the fourth one 3 weeks. Hell, I had a shipment via priority take three weeks when before that the worst I had seen was 10 days.
Unfortunately we aren't likely to solve the problem in one thread. Someone higher up needs to sit down and see if they can come up with some better answers.
CJJ
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Yes CJJ
Some limit should be put and IMO your suggestion is too long, I think that 7 days is enough after delivery to edit feedback, I also believe that some sort of feedback moderation must take place.
Spirit changed feedback 2 days ago from rate 5 to rate 1, two month AFTER delivery and not while order were in the transit!
That is abuse and prior feedback blackmail and he shown everybody how liar he really is.
I have changed need for early finalize for 130mg item. Price and the weight remain the same and I have removed 100mg what did not need early finalize.
I found that early finalize confusing to track everything. We both buyer and seller have admin as only who has access to all relevant issue in the case of dispute.
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This is why I have two systems going - one for regular SR transactions at full pop (full price + shipping), and the other for direct-buy option (10% discount + free shipping). It's important enough for me to have my float topped up ASAP that I'm willing to allow a bit on price. I can imagine it's extremely confusing for early finalize and the potential for a lot of wrong-shipments is huge. Things are fairly smooth the way I'm doing them (although I did just accidentally ship someone an entire ounce who ordered way less than that - first time for everything I guess, and he's happy :)
Except for new customers. They have to do direct-buy AND pay full pop + shipping. Price of not being proven, and if they don't like it the other sellers can chance them being a scammer account or not.