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Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: dutchshop on October 09, 2011, 10:46 am
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I Propose a Silkroad Buy account (Fee) Commission entering Silkroad.
hi silkroad Forum members and Admins,
EUREKA!!!!!I have a Solution for SilkRoad .This is a WIN WIN WIN CONCEPT/IDEA.
Every Person (Buyer) most pay for opening a Buy account (Fee) like 1 btc ($5) and this keep Scammers Away.
I will Give example,to Enter Silkroad u have 2 different account.This also covers the cost to run this site.
1)Silkroad View Account:
* U can enter and view but cant order.
* Account is Free.
* No P.M. to Vendors
* P.M. Only Admin
)Silkroad Buy Account:
* U can enter and order.
* Account is 1 ($5):this is open for discussion!!!.
* P.M. to Vendors
* 1 - 9 orders : Refund 25% max.
* 10- 24 orders : Refund 50% max.
* 25 - < :Refund 100% Max up to Vendor.
Beside that u can raise also the New Vendor/Sellers Account ($150) up to $300.
This keep Vendor Scammers away and the Site running.
Vendor Account:
- Silkroad product/transaction Fee: 5 a 6.25% Stay the same
Think about it !!!!!!!!!!
This will solve the most problems and keep this site smooth running.
Win situation for:
Silkroad got his funds to stay safe and smooth (the data of /double silk road accounts decrease).
Vendors get seriously buyers and lowers there prices.
Buyers get seriously good products for lower prices.
Who likes this concept and idea plz Reply!!!!
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This idea has potential to inhibit trouble making buyers significantly... Are trouble making buyers currently a problem here? ( I know some sellers done bad scams, but I didn't see too much about buyers yet).... if so, then yes, your idea is a good one.
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Good ideas, especially making a common policy about refunds.
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+100!!! Love the no fee viewer account! Besides if you aint got 5 btc's to get an account you aint got no money for drugs lol... maybe make it so they can PM the trusted MP to BTC vendors so they can get some btc's!
this is a VERY GOOD IDEA. I know the seller FEEL ME!!!
Paperchasing
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As a buyer +1
Yes we do have problem buyers, and this will slow it just a bit.
It won't stop it.
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I like this idea also and would have no problem paying a fee. Even a monthly fee I wouldnt mind.
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its cause youre a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrTEeA_hko
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buying account should be free as it is now. there all ways be scamer doing this may make a few go away but may make even less ppl join this site and start to buy. (we need some how to make CNN and fox news do a story on SR)
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Hi,
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ONE THING WE CAN'T RUN FROM OR IGNORE AND MUST ACCEPT IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO RUNS SILKROAD NEED MORE FUNDS (MONEY) TO GET/BUY BETTER AND MORE HARDWARE EQUIPMENT TO KEEP THIS SITE STABLE ,SECURE AND SAFE!!!!!! UP RUNNING IN THE AIR!!!!!.
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I try solve the problems we have here on silkroad.YES there a sneaky dirty buyers fraud/scammers..etc.
1)I set also a buyers refund rate to give the vendors some rights.The system is not super 100% Scammers free but it is a start in the good direction.
2) Like now is silkroad marketplace offline because of the heavy data activity .This means to much accounts to much transactions running on the server.
Silkroad Buy Account:
* U can enter and order.
* Account is 1 ($5):this is open for discussion!!!.
* P.M. to Vendors
* 1 - 9 orders : Refund 25% max.
* 10- 24 orders : Refund 50% max.
* 25 - < :Refund 100% Max up to Vendor.
Greets DutchShop,
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I'm not sure I can agree with this part:
* 1 - 9 orders : Refund 25% max.
* 10- 24 orders : Refund 50% max.
* 25 - < :Refund 100% Max up to Vendor.
I'm a new user here, and on my second purchase, the seller discovered that the sent products were far weaker than advertised. So he gave me (and every other buyer of the weak stuff) a full refund, without me even asking him to. To me, this way of handling that situation has just made me trust the vendor more, whereas I'd be a litttle pissed off if the site had forced him to only give me a 25% refund. The refund amount really should depend on what the seller and buyer think is appropriate in each specific case. And I'd be rather put off the site if I knew I was never allowed >50% refunds until i'd made 25 purchases. I would, however, be fine paying a small fee for a buyer's account... just my thoughts on the matter, anyway :)
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there is already a phishing site that has a message at the home page that you will need to send one bit coin to (the address listed) in order to proceed.
it then says to click on the "here" link to proceed. the "here" link is the official register page.
it's a slick trick to catch newbs off-guard but, it's a low-down dirt-trick.
not sure if it's on the "icky", but it is on the tor dr.
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u got a point there so that we let up to the vendors.
About the refund rate, we vendors need more options about refund rate like:
0% - 20% - 25% - 30% - 35% - 40% - 45% - 50% - 55 % - 60 % - 65% - 70% - 75% - 80% - 85% - 90% - 95% - 100% ;).
Greets DutchShop,
I'm not sure I can agree with this part:
* 1 - 9 orders : Refund 25% max.
* 10- 24 orders : Refund 50% max.
* 25 - < :Refund 100% Max up to Vendor.
I'm a new user here, and on my second purchase, the seller discovered that the sent products were far weaker than advertised. So he gave me (and every other buyer of the weak stuff) a full refund, without me even asking him to. To me, this way of handling that situation has just made me trust the vendor more, whereas I'd be a litttle pissed off if the site had forced him to only give me a 25% refund. The refund amount really should depend on what the seller and buyer think is appropriate in each specific case. And I'd be rather put off the site if I knew I was never allowed >50% refunds until i'd made 25 purchases. I would, however, be fine paying a small fee for a buyer's account... just my thoughts on the matter, anyway :)
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Buyer accounts...whatever.
I want vendor accounts shut down for 3 weeks so i can clean house.
Anyone object?
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nomad bloodbath
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NEW VENDOR ACCOUNT SALES!
So I can get all scammers, we have right now out.
:D
nomad
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I think this is a pretty good idea! I wouldn't mind a one time fee for having an account here, even if its 2btc, but a monthly fee i think would be a bit much. I think a better idea would be to increase the tax on sales or whatever that SR gets for each sale.
Either way, this idea has promise, i really like the idea of getting the site more money to work with.
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I'm against montly fee for buyers/sellers :o :-\.
Just one time fee for buyers/sellers 8) ;D.
I think this is a pretty good idea! I wouldn't mind a one time fee for having an account here, even if its 2btc, but a monthly fee i think would be a bit much. I think a better idea would be to increase the tax on sales or whatever that SR gets for each sale.
Either way, this idea has promise, i really like the idea of getting the site more money to work with.
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I have questions before everyone wants to give SR MORE money... how much is this board making every month? anyone have a clue? How is SR's personal account looking? I'm not hating on the guy- as a matter of fact I'm happy he set the board up. But if you want to start taxing more I'll take my business elsewhere. I think it's crazy to say that 'SR is broke and he needs more money for hardware' when we have no clue on how he's sitting...
There is no way I'd have paid $300 to vend here. That's kind of a lot...I can 'vend' anywhere in the world...there are other boards as well...
There was almost a fucking revolt when he was talking about raising the commissions to 12% a couple weeks ago ( which would have caused vendors to either leave or work out of escrow) and now we're talking about how can we give SR more of our cash...
If I knew he was hard up I'd be all over it. I'm still waiting for the new commissions. I have NO PROBLEM paying my commissions on sales. But lets not jump the gun and start forking over all our money. Not everyone has a 400% markup on their products here folks...lets not forget that. Tack another few bucks on my H sales, I stop selling H. I don't make enough on it to do it at in increased tax. I don't sell dope for the mob and I'm not getting rich on any of this. I'm simply helping people that can't help themselves. Some days it's more trouble than it's worth. Read Pharmville's 2.0 post...
SR is more than reasonable. I was super happy when I wrote him about the increase in commissions and he listened to me and replied specifically to me. And I'm not saying that like 'oh, SR talked to me, I'm not going to blink and save that message FOREVER!' but he understands that we all have to make money. I don't think the servers weren't upgraded b/c he was broke, it was more that it was put on the back burner until it blew up.
And a buyers fee? Some people scrounge up loot so they can get stuff that is more expensive than if they bought it on the street. Lets not ostracize the kids that are working at Burger King saving their money so they can trip once in a while. Make it MORE USER FRIENDLY. If you make things even more expensive we're going to lose buyers. I get people all the time telling me they've been saving for a month to get some acid. I appreciate the shit out of that. I remember doing that when I was a youngin too. I'm trying to get more sales, not less. As long as you use a DCN you can't get scammed by a buyer....that was the one way I got screwed last time, I fixed that.
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Silk road has made over $31,000 alone just from selling seller accounts. SR also takes in plenty on thier 6% commision. I do realize that they are about getting paid but I am not a hacker guru that makes thousands of dollars each month. So every small expense adds up for me and just about everyone else here on SR.
The guy in charge of SR prolly makes more money than some of the most successful dealers who use SR.
I tryed to just estimate the sales one day by looking at new feedbacks posted during the day and in just one day I had added that it went over $5,000.
And in all honestly it was prolly well over $5,000 cause i only checked a few times during the day, then looked at what the feed back was for then added up the prices........
If I did have more money I wouldnt mind paying more but I just dont.
I am a college kid that just wants a different avenue 2 purchase substances.
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I dont' think the intent is to toss SR more money on this one, more to stop sellers scamming buyer accounts and padding feedback, and buyers just re-registering new accounts if they try to scam a few sellers and their stats get hurt.
It would make more sense to pool those funds somewhere else and actually use them for something, who knows what but I'm sure the community can think of something.
I'm for it as a safeguard but against it as it will definitely hurt the potential buyer base at the same time. And yes, I agree, SR does not need more money if 10k in sales are flowing through here you are taking $4,000 per week in income while we need major security overhauls and capacity upgrades.
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I could see a sort of buyer 'escrow' bond or something....u know, u put up say btc equivalent of fifty bucks to get a buyer account...money automatically returned once you get a certain amount of confirmed buys, posts on here, time on board, maybe have a moderator/seller cosign that you are legit, I could think of all kinds of ways...and then money automatically goes back in your account...most people buying could come up with that amount...or should be able to...it would have the effect of discouraging fly-by-nights and one buy and rip buyers....
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True. Only the resourceful scammers will be able to come up with the money to pad accounts than.
So this would eliminate some of the poorer scammers out there.
But in time it will be the good scammers who are willing to spend money that are the ones to worry most about.
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True. Only the resourceful scammers will be able to come up with the money to pad accounts than.
So this would eliminate some of the poorer scammers out there.
But in time it will be the good scammers who are willing to spend money that are the ones to worry most about.
Oh, it's true, a serious and heartless scammer could always find a way...just sell some cheap pills for a while, or provide bitcoins to a few people--as has already been done--and then, once you have a few good defenders, start asking people to lift escrow for some reason or another, then ask others to finalize early...then sink the hook: you could easily make a few thousand bucks doing that...no way to stop it, like that old saying, some tv show or another--the wire, I think: "The small con giveth, and the big con taketh away..." or something like that ha ha.....
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This will do absolutely nothin to stop scammers.
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I like the idea of charging for a buyer's account. I think the beauty of Silk Road right now is its growing notoriety, along with its still-small size (membership, fees generated, # of sellers/listings, etc.). It's gotten big enough to be (FUCKING) awesome and worthwhile, while still small enough to be nimble and country club-ish. If we let SR become big enough, it will then become.........EBay! (Not hating on Ebay, but it's a whole other animal with its own set of headaches.)
I think SR needs a policy of controlled growth. Grow a certain amount each year until you reach a certain equilibrium, then throttle back growth. Don't completely stop growth; think In-N-Out Burger when looking for a template to follow. They add a few (or w/e) new restaurants every year, but sl-ow-ly. After, what, 60 years of existence, they've grown to just fives states -- CA, AZ, NV, UT, and most recently, TX? And they have never gone public either. This keeps the mystique and mystery alive, while growing sales yearly. And trust me, walk into any In-N-Out and you'll see the constant crowds; any Quiznos, constant....tumbleweeds.
Plus, scammers will always be an issue, now and forever. What I at least hope to accomplish is ridding SR of the low class, uneducated, ghetto fucktards that scam -- and don't scam, as well -- thereby ruining it for everyone. We need less sellers too that talk up and up about their stuff, only to send with no vacuum sealing, or re-used baggies, or something of questionable quality. With a (reasonable) buyer's fee along with a higher ($200-250; not $300!) vendor's account fee, we can at least eliminate the lowest 10-15th percentile.
If we want quality supply to buy, while also having quality, funded buyers to buy said quality supply [:)], then a fee will be necessary. Costco does it, and are they the devil? I sure know they're more loved than Wal-Mart! And Costco still has deals-a-plenty, while maintaining a minimum standard of service, reinforced by customer expectations of good service from having to pay for memberships. For the absolutist-legalize camp, SR is your rare, golden opportunity to show that with narcotics ridden of cuts and impurities, harm reduction is real and obvious. Your case for careful, controlled legalization of 420, cocaine, ecstasy, crystal meth, w/e, will be that much more solid. We all win!
Any thoughts/critiques, commenters?
-Horse
P.S. An un-related SR suggestion: If finalizing early, why not let buyers choose any percentage of the final price, instead of all or nothing? At least then losses are reduced if they do get scammed.
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I agree with the fact that SR needs a buyer fee for anyone who wants to use this site
This community is getting to large and gaining to much media attention and needs something to slow it down, with the growing number of people it also opens up opportunity for more scammers on both buying and selling side, with the number of people it also loses its feel as a community and more and more people who are ungrateful for this site come along to often
I agree with a lot of Horses points but most of it has been reiterated throughout this thread, This will do nothing to stop scammers? I think that it would deter most if they had to pay 100 dollars or so to start purchasing and even more to start a seller account, it wouldnt deem viable for someone who is trying to make a quick buck
Instate a Fee SR please!!
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I'm agnostic on the buyer one-time fee at the moment (though I would oppose a monthly fee, as it would do nothing to stop scammers that a one-time fee wouldn't do, while making it easier to analyze bitcoin transactions to identify SR users). I would just like to point out that making buyers pay transaction fees would be silly, as the fees will continue to be borne by buyers and sellers in the same proportions as currently, according to their relative price elasticities. This is a basic economic result.
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??? as a buyer with a long membership and have had no auto-finalize, or canceled orders, i would contend that it might be a bit unfair to those like me with that kind of record.
i have had many good vendors to work with and most of that is due to careful consideration of who i purchase from.
if some kind of fee is needed for new accounts made(from now on), older accounts with no flaws should not be charged to continue to do legitimate business. 8)
i know vendors are taking a risk on new buyers and the hassle it is if the buyer is trying to scam, but it pays off if the new buyer is legit and wants to continue to do business and keep SR rolling.
p.s. thanks to all the honest vendors out there ;D
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Hi,
I found also other topic going about the same problems and ideas so we can then combine or share the topic to see if we can come up with a good idea or solution to keep a fairtrade on silkroad.
Topic: We need buyer feedback AND for buyer's to buy their accounts for it to work.
Link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1831.msg56363#msg56363
Credits to : Colonel Sanders
Greets DutchShop,
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....i think the raising of the seller a/c, would need to be based on something like quantity but then thats difficult to code, otherwise what would the crtiteria be...time as a seller...
i thought the seller quarm was loss to scammers, but then the question is, is that the truth or an excuse as sellers should be picking reputable buyers not just to get the sale out -right ?
commission has just been increased which means less profit which in itself is counter productive if it reduces profit...?!
so maybe its time for some analysis, absolute examples to add it up..
it may very be just a case of certain sellers in their regions who are most affected by scammers...?! i mean its supposed to be arbitrary....?!
ok