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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: leethax on September 02, 2011, 04:22 am
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How much should I worry about getting things shipped to my house in my name . As long as I don't sign for something is there anything that can happen. If keep my mouth shut and deny anything and everything can they really get me.
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You need not worry at all. the post office is not as tight as they might want it to be. people ship illegal items all the time silk road just made it easy to access drugs.
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You need not worry at all. the post office is not as tight as they might want it to be.
Yes no one ever gets caught receiving drugs in the mail...
Getting things shipped to your home with your name sounds like a terrible idea to me.
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I suggest you to look at the another option - VIRTUAL OFFICE or MAIL FORWARD SERVICE.
Good stuff, using this myself, excellent proxy so to speak :)
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How much should I worry about getting things shipped to my house in my name . As long as I don't sign for something is there anything that can happen. If keep my mouth shut and deny anything and everything can they really get me.
There's a lot of debate about sending packages from SR to your home address. Some people say it's fine, just be sure to never sign for a package. But the real question here is, what are your options? Can someone else pick it up for you? If it's mailed to another address where you know someone there can they hold it for you? Probably not.
Getting a PO box, or sending your mail somewhere else, still means someone has to physically take possession of the package. If the package has been opened and the postal inspectors know what's in it they may be waiting for you when you go to get your mail. Essentially it comes down to you take the risk of picking up your order, or someone else does.
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that's the big question.
All the ideas of "proxy style" methods like mailbox, virtual office etc. have one shortcoming, you will need to take physical possession at some point. If a shipment gets popped it will most likely happen either because the seller is under surveillance or because the postal service pops the shipment somehow e.g. dogs.
If LE gets notified of a package containing dope of sorts, and if they really want to pop the recipient all they have to do is follow the package. So it doesn't matter if you have it shipped to a mailbox and forward it to a virtual office from there. If they are tracking it, all they have to do is wait there and pop you when you pick it up.
Matter of fact, I personally think that elaborate receiving schemes are counterproductive. So you paid a lot of money to do mailbox and forward to virtual office from mailbox, and then you go there and pick it up and BLAM, the cuffs come on. If you live in a place with ID requirements similar to where I live, it is virtually impossible to get mailboxes and such without appearing personally and showing ID. And where I live ID is foolproof and almost impossible to fake. Try to talk your way out of having this elaborate network of mail receiving methods. If you ship to your home you can always shrug and say WTF didn't order that. I think in most jurisdictions it takes more to convict you than just having the shipment sent to you, they need to prove you actually ordered it. So if your tracks are covered well, BTC, no traces on your computer etc. you're prolly better off that way. Can always say that ominous roomy that hasn't shown up for a few days got a lot of mail sent to you.
That's just my humble opinion, but then I had my fair share of legal troubles and seen the systems work in several countries. The thing is, the more elaborate your "scheme" becomes, the easier it becomes to build a circumstantial case against you. Just my 2 cents.
Imho, and suitable for my jurisdiction, order under a different name, put that name on your mailbox and when you got your shit remove it. If the mailman turns out to be an undercover just say that name on the box is your roommates, yeah, the blonde 205cm tall guy with the long blonde hair and 7 blue earrings...
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i'd say the burden of proof lies on the shoulders of the sender. i send all my packages to make them look like they originate from dick cheney's house.
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You have plausible deniability if you don't open the package for a few days. Who knows, someone could have sent it as a prank, or to try to get you in trouble.
You want your mail to blend in with everything else, to be normal. people receiving normal shit in the mail from utilities, ebay, amazon, etc. dont' use crazy proxies. If you want to be extra careful open a PO box under a business name and have some shit mailed there, THEN get your product mailed there. But you are adding a shit-ton of cost and in the end if you get caught picking up drugs from a mailbox you are getting arrested. I would try to average-joe it as much as possible.
Johnwholesome is correct - simple is smart. The more layers you add the more even a half-assed prosecutor can build intent on your end, and the less you look a victim of bad luck. The smartest thing you can do is wait a couple of days to open the package - police always sting on receipt immediately. If you haven't opened it they could NEVER prove you actually intended to receive it and weren't going to drop it off at the post next day as "return to sender" because you didn't know what the hell it was.
I always tell my customers to either use their real name, or a variation of their name that looks like someone at corporate wasn't listening when you gave your information over the phone. Over 80% of mail traffic is business mail. Your seller should be making yours blend in with that and if not you need to call them out on the forums so they smarten the hell up and not endanger buyers (or not if they are a cannabis seller - just come buy from me :) )
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It depends entirely on your circumstances. In mine, it would be crazy to use a false name because I live in a small village and know the postman. He knows there's no 'John Smith' living at my house, and he'd ask me about it the next time I was at the pub.
People say using a false name and leaving the package unopened for several days gives plausible deniability, in case you get a knock at the door from LE. But who leaves the package unopened for several days? Not someone who wants to get high, nor someone whose seller wants them to finalise quickly.
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What if you did use the old fake name trick...you get the package/letter for Joe Schmoe, you replicate the package but with nothing in it. Take that replicated package back to the post office explain you didnt order this and its in someone elses name and that you'd like to return it to the sender. Stash your stuff for a few days/a week somewhere else and wait.
If you do get a friendly visit say you did receive something for Joe Schmo however you've already returned it to the post office to be sent back to the sender...They'll probably check that out and the post office should vouch for you.
Then enjoy whatever you got thru
Profit??
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the only way I would use a fake name at my home address is if I were to say order a couple magazine subscriptions under the fake name I intend to use (along with filling out a few dozen online forms that will get junk mail sent), and wait a number of months before using that name for a SR delivery i don't know if I'm using the right word, but I think it is called obfuscation. the more mail you get in different names, and the more online forms filled out, the easier it is to say you have no fucking idea where all this male for "Johnathan Depp" or one of my favorites "Karl Hungus" is coming from if any issue ever arises.
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"Karl Hungus"
i fixe eine kabul?
lmao fucking epicwin
:)
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The way I'm planning to do it is to use a fake name and send it to a student residence. Multiple people live on the same address, which makes the chance of getting caught is very small. First of all there doesn't live a person named that on that address, and second the fuzz has to prove that someone in that particular residence ordered the goods.
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As mentioned here before, I also think the best option you can have is either to send it under someone else's name who lives with you, and even if you're caught with the dope, I heard it reduces the chances of being charged as long as you and your friend are in it together and each blame the other. (you have to plan it before for it to work right)
Matter of fact, I personally think that elaborate receiving schemes are counterproductive.
Yes. I also think that... best is not to order big quantities.
I always tell my customers to either use their real name, or a variation of their name that looks like someone at corporate wasn't listening when you gave your information over the phone.
I see it often recommended. But what is the benefit in it?
Having a fake business for cover could help greatly too.
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All you will ever get is plausible deniability, in the end. You have enough of it, and even a half-assed lawyer can sweep away "reasonable doubt" without question. It just adds another layer to the case for.
Even if it has your name on it, it's virtually impossible to prove that you actually ordered the goods. You could easily say that one of your friends must have pranked you, and that's just as likely a story as you ordering (unless you have a long, documented history in public record of consuming that particular substance against the "advice" of your benevolent demigods).
Just don't ever fucking talk to the cops. Seriously. All you say is "I want to speak to my lawyer". That's it. Let the mouthpiece do the shit you pay him to do, it's his job, and he knows their games better than you. Hold your nerve. Conviction rates with this kind of shit are almost nil when someone doesn't talk - there is a half-baked case at best.
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+1 @ anarcho47
It almost looks like I wrote it. Spot-on mate.
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Really good info in here. Thanks guys.
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Just don't ever fucking talk to the cops. Seriously. All you say is "I want to speak to my lawyer". That's it. Let the mouthpiece do the shit you pay him to do, it's his job, and he knows their games better than you. Hold your nerve. Conviction rates with this kind of shit are almost nil when someone doesn't talk - there is a half-baked case at best.
Yes!! Charging oneself never helps :)
To the original poster,
I don't think you should worry at all, provide your real name and location, and just pick up your mail like every morning!
Tens of millions, if not hundreds, of post mail are in transit in any given time! The probability that the police checks YOUR mail is very slim! Especially when you take into account all the precautions the sellers undergo in having a proper packaging.
What's more likely -but still very unlikely- is that your mail gets "lost", and what's even more likely -but still bla bla bla- is that someone steals your mail!
There have been thousands of successful transaction in SR alone, and what you get to read is people completely stoned writing completely paranoid "safe" scenarios... not people complaining about that evil fine they got instead of the dope :)
I'm not trying to say one shouldn't be careful and should grow balls, it's indeed important to know the risks your facing.. and to answer your original question, it depends on the drug and quantity, and if it was sent from another country (drug charges + import). In most countries of Europe, that means you risk "virtually nothing" for the first few times.
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just get mail sent to your house addressed to someone of the opposite sex....do i look like Mrs.Elizabeth Baxter, inspector norman.
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just get mail sent to your house addressed to someone of the opposite sex....do i look like Mrs.Elizabeth Baxter, inspector norman.
No, that's a completely retarded horrible idea.
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Does anyone know what would happen in this scenario:
Mail addressed to you containing contraband (that you didn't order) is delivered by mistake to your PO Box/private mailbox.
Obviously LE can ask the post office who rented the box.
Obviously your name is on the forms.
Is this enough evidence for a warrant at your home address on the form?
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AFAIK warrants are only issued if the police can prove to a judge that when they get access to the premises the likelyhood they will be able to convict the occupants/owners of that premises are EXTREMELY high. A judge would not jsut throw out warrants willy nilly on a hunch or anything thats circumstantial. Im pretty sure that if LE raid a house, and cause psychological stress and harm towards the individuals, only to turn up no hard evidence (regardless of the accused being actually guilty or not) could land LE in a bit of legal trouble???? Correct me if im wrong, this is just the assumption ive always gone by, based on common sense not fact. Just imagine the embarassment let alone prosecution LE would suffer if they were taken to court with physical assault charges alongside causing psychological stress and harm towards "innocent" people because they had a hunch or were going on circumstantial evidence and clues.
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this is just the assumption ive always gone by, based on common sense not fact.
the fact is that LE training does not consist of common sense, nor is common sense admissible in court.
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Good point. But when a judge is approached by LE with a bunch of flakey and highly circumstantial evidence that doesnt provide any clear evidence that a conviction is guaranteed. Do you think said judge would risk lawsuits against LE for psychological harm, disruption of lifestyle and public humiliation on the chance they can nab someone for personal posession charges?? I highly doubt it. My opinion though and as I said earlier, based on no fact.
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If you are in the US, one of the provisions of the updated "Patriot" Act is that field agents from the letter agencies can now issue their own warrants that are legally permissable.
The worst I have heard of thus far for personal receiving is a love letter, and no follow up. Selling on the other hand...............
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FFS! talk about paranoia! just send it, id say put a previous occupants, a made up or even a variation of your own name.use a trusted seller, reviews will back up delivery success rates.renting a mail box or using mail re-direct are although good ideas in principal, are in reality just the same.eg if the cops seriously wanted to bust you for it...they will.re-direct is still attached to your name/address in some way, a mail box even if unregistered still requires you to go collect. the thing is the cops dont give a shit about small quantities of the herb, it probably pisses them off cos it gives them plenty work processing forms etc.from inside the e.u they send you a letter telling you they have intercepted you package blah blah blah...it says you can go pick it up but they may arrest you etc. as for the stronger stuff like class A, id imagine they are a little more interested.Ultimately you got to remember that you aint Pablo Escobar and that the cops are much more intrested in the sellers than the buyers
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Getting things shipped to your home with your name sounds like a terrible idea to me.
It sounds like the only reasonable idea to me. The postal workers know who lives where; they have databases they can search and the same carriers often deliver mail to the same residence frequently for long periods of time. Having your name on a package does not make you legally liable for its contents. Having someone else's name on a package delivered to you makes you no less legally liable for its contents. Having a misspelled, fake, or unrecognized name as the addressee on a receiving address is a very big red flag.
If having your name on a package made you legally liable for it, then people would just be sending their enemies leaky parcels of cocaine and calling law enforcement and make anonymous tips to settle scores.
Always use the same full name and address your utility bills come under...