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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: Pharmville on August 29, 2011, 06:02 pm
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Hey all SR Sellers,
Ben is my partner and does all the packing and shipping for Pharmville. Normally he doesn't read the forum or communicate with the customers. But this weekend he became curious about the topics that we discuss on the forum so he went and had a look. He spent several hours going through all the threads with a specific emphasis on the Shipping and Security areas.
After reading all the threads he told me that no place did he find a thread which properly emphasized the need to use TWO PAIRS of gloves when packing using latex gloves. He said that one pair of latex gloves still allows for fingerprints to be picked up if they come in contact with a very sticky surface, such as the underside of cellophane tape, the adhesive used on bubble envelopes, or the backs of self-adhesive labels.
To summarize: better safe than sorry! Be sure to always wear TWO PAIRS of gloves when packing your orders.
Everybody stay safe when traveling the Silk Road! -Alex & Ben-
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He said that one pair of latex gloves still allows for fingerprints to be picked up if they come in contact with a very sticky surface, such as the underside of cellophane tape, the adhesive used on bubble envelopes, or the backs of self-adhesive labels.
Oh my! Didn't know that, thanks for advice!
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While you are defenetly right on the single latex glove thing,
i did find that these facts where explaint quite well in
janetreno's thread
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.0
She does recommend thicker gloves then the latex ones.
Usually i take cotton gloves under a pair of latex ones.
this way i protect my cotton gloves from obtaining
counterband and leading to later problems.
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I recently received an order which was sent quickly and the product was good quality. But right away I noticed that there was a wad (not exaggerating) of carpet fiber under the tape which had been used inside the envelope. I feel pretty certain that if this package had been intercepted by postal inspectors, that carpet fiber would be saved in the event the actual seller was found. A match of the carpet fiber in the envelope and in the seller's place of residence would have made for a very bad day in court.
So... use two pairs of gloves when packing your orders. And watch what you drop into that envelope you're packing. :o
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i use textures nitrilite gloves over wool gloves (the "carpet fiber" you saw) I thought about repackaging that shipment because of the wool getting stuck in the laminating material, but if they can track me off of ten year old generic wool gloves bought at a gas station with cash on a cross country trip, not only do I then deserve to get caught, but.. no one is safe
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i use textures nitrilite gloves over wool gloves (the "carpet fiber" you saw) I thought about repackaging that shipment because of the wool getting stuck in the laminating material, but if they can track me off of ten year old generic wool gloves bought at a gas station with cash on a cross country trip, not only do I then deserve to get caught, but.. no one is safe
Whoa there good buddy! Not sayin' it was you -- I've gotten several shipments from SR vendors and I see all sorts of "remnants" (including fingerprints on tape) packed along with the product I ordered. I thought you did a better job than many others. All in all this is a very informative thread because it shows the need to be more careful when shipping stuff.
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+1
fingerprints, dog hair, your hair, fibers from your home - ANYTHING
forensics can pick up a dead skin cell and work off that if they wanted to.
double up on the gloves, try to work in a SUPER CLEAN AREA or outside, STAY OUT of plain view.
noone is safe. you can't encrypt a parcel. ;) Use caution sellers! even sending out the ubie - which is technically legal - i used these protocols.
L75
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i pull hairs of the heads of people i dont like when their backs are turned and make sure i stick a hair or two under some clear tape when mailing packages out.
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Whenever at a zoo collect hairs. Just to fuck with em.
(Not really)
Peace,
DigtialAlch
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Whenever at a zoo collect hairs. Just to fuck with em.
(Not really)
Peace,
DigtialAlch
+1 lol epic
just go to the zoo and do your packaging in the monkey house. that way LE will be somewhat baffled that primates are on SR now too
(or are they already?)
L
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We at least know there is one camel on here.
I am not really buying the two-gloves thing. If you are using actual medical-grade gloves you should be okay. I have a forensics fingerprinting kit I got off of a buddy cop of mine several years ago and I put that to the test on scotch tape, packing tape, and an envelope. All three showed nothing.
Not that it's a bad idea to have a healthy dose of paranoia in this business......
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Hey all SR Sellers,
Ben is my partner and does all the packing and shipping for Pharmville. Normally he doesn't read the forum or communicate with the customers. But this weekend he became curious about the topics that we discuss on the forum so he went and had a look. He spent several hours going through all the threads with a specific emphasis on the Shipping and Security areas.
After reading all the threads he told me that no place did he find a thread which properly emphasized the need to use TWO PAIRS of gloves when packing using latex gloves. He said that one pair of latex gloves still allows for fingerprints to be picked up if they come in contact with a very sticky surface, such as the underside of cellophane tape, the adhesive used on bubble envelopes, or the backs of self-adhesive labels.
To summarize: better safe than sorry! Be sure to always wear TWO PAIRS of gloves when packing your orders.
Everybody stay safe when traveling the Silk Road! -Alex & Ben-
Great help, thanks very much, i am giving you +1 karma
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Holy shit I thought PHARMVILLE WAS BACK!! FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK :'(
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I prefer mittens to gloves and the I connect them to the string around my shoulder so I don't lose them
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That's usually what I do when having sex, with a dirty hoe, until one day they both ripped open and she got a free sample of my DNA
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So I'm assuming you all have records? Wouldn't the best method be to not handle anything whenever possible if you prints are in the system? I know you can get busted and then be fingerprinted and matched up. but before any of that goes down the best way is if you have a partner or trusted individual working with you with a clean record handle your shipping requirements. This avoids and unwanted guest showing up at your house uninvited (LE) because a package got snagged and dusted! I been up all night so someone tell me if this method is full proof or not, or close too!
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White cotton gloves from start to finish. (get them at the pharmacy)
In a plastic bag to the mailbox and only touching the outside of the -old, wrinkled- plastic bag put the envelops in the mailbox.
Go home for that much earned beer 8)
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Last time I got arrested, I was leaving the police station and a women cop had just gotten up and left her desk, she was brushing her hair, I took the brush and now I put a hair in every package.
(this is a joke by the way)
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While you are defenetly right on the single latex glove thing,
i did find that these facts where explaint quite well in
janetreno's thread
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.0
She does recommend thicker gloves then the latex ones.
Usually i take cotton gloves under a pair of latex ones.
this way i protect my cotton gloves from obtaining
counterband and leading to later problems.
I've read that thread all the way through, and have searched for anything by janetreno on the topic of gloves, to no avail. Would you mind pointing to where she says we need to wear thicker gloves?
I really don't see why a thicker glove is of any benefit. Fingerprints are left via oils on your hands, not by deforming the material you're handling. Even if the ridges on your fingers can be detected through a glove (unlikely, unless you're using ultra thin condoms as gloves), they're not going to leave any oils and thus no trace. So why does it matter if the glove is thin? I'm highly skeptical that your fingerprint ridges are left on ANY surface via deformation of that surface.
Can someone shed some light here? I'm still learning, as we all are.
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Upon introspection, I could actually see it being possible to leave a print through a very thin glove. The powder on a latex glove (or any other residue) could act as the medium on a sticky surface (like tape), much like the oils on your hands.
Ok, I'm convinced. Thick gloves it is.
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no glove, no love. 8)
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True story.. a buddy of mine got busted for a burglary he was wearing latex gloves. The cops said they had latent prints of his found at crime scene. NEVER use latex gloves. Use Nitrile gloves instead. Home Chepo sells em for around $5 for 3 pairs they are great
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I believe that nitrile gloves are the best for anonymity, and you don't have to double up. Earlier in the thread I read someone saying that hair can get you busted. That is true but they also need the follicle, not just the hair itself. Don't get me wrong, you should try not to get any hair in your shit if at all possible because it helps to narrow down who is sending based on hair color alone.
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Hair should always be taken care of, especially if you have long flowing, hippie locks/dreads. Tie that tassle back AND use a shower cap or hair net. You shouldn't be seeing any other humans when you're packing so why does it matter if you look more and more like Dexter?
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Interesting thread. I have personally observed that latent fingerprints can indeed be transferred using latex gloves, in fact I tested it myself - put ink on fingers with gloves on and sure enough could easily make out the whorls and ridges when imprinted on a piece of paper. However, that was with ink. Of course I'm not suggesting the use of latex gloves, but how likely is it that these fingerprints will be left without some type of oil or ink or something along those lines in place?
Also, I'm curious, say someone packaged their shipments using latex gloves and for one reason or another it's intercepted, perhaps by a LE honeypot acting as a buyer. Say they dust it for prints and find the prints in the system... is that enough for them to make an arrest and will charges stick? Or will they have to find your hands in the veritable cookie jar for it to actually be able to hold up in court?
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@mollyexpress, as I understand it, finding your prints would give them grounds for a search warrant so that they could kick your door in and terrify you with the hopes that you spill the beans...assuming they don't find anything in the search. This assumes they can find you at your last known address or have more intel so they are kicking down the right door. From there the investigation would begin and they would be going for all of it, so to speak.
Stay safe everyone! Nothing but nitrile!
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I would add textured to the nitrilite glove discussion.
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You guys do realize that if LE really wants to bust you , they will just fabricate evidence. If they even need to-almost no one fights charges against them in court - usually take a deal therefor evidence isnt even needed.