Silk Road forums
Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: envious on July 30, 2011, 12:47 pm
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I've been looking through this forum and just cannot believe how much people bitch about pricing. I mean honestly you guys are lucky product is available to begin with. Obviously if you are sourcing here you either:
A.) Prefer the convenience
B.) Don't have real life connections
C.) Don't want to deal with El Kilo
I got an idea.... If you can get such good pricing, THEN GO OUT AND DO IT AND QUIT WHINING ON THE SR FORUMS. Just cause a hit of acid costed $3 once at a festival in 1978 doesn't mean that is the regular going rate. There is a lot of variables to this equation. Seriously there is nothing more annoying to a seller than people bitching about prices. You are dealing with an online drug store, that means paying a premium. I don't know if anyone has noticed but all these price bitching threads surely haven't lowered any prices on SR. If anything they have gone up. I find it even more ironic when they bitch about a product that only one vendor is offering. I mean some of you really have no business sense at all. If you want better prices, get to know your vendor. Maybe he will want to hook you up after he gets to know you, but until then you are just some random fuck on the internet. Why do you deserve a price cut?
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You are dealing with an online drug store, that means paying a premium.
Yeah but everything's cheaper on the Internet!!! :P
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The ironic thing is that at the end of the day, I probably make less selling here than F2F. Its 1k times harder than you would think...IF I deal with a buddy f2f it takes 30 seconds and hes gone. Here (99 percent of all clients are cool) but that 1 percent makes my life HELL!!! I could start a bitch session here, but i wont... I honestly wish that SR admins could implement a function to ignore a user. Yesterday, I received 38 Pm's from one customer. Thats just from yesterday!!, not including the 20 the day before (from the same one) . Ok, ill stop now...
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The ironic thing is that at the end of the day, I probably make less selling here than F2F. Its 1k times harder than you would think...IF I deal with a buddy f2f it takes 30 seconds and hes gone. Here (99 percent of all clients are cool) but that 1 percent makes my life HELL!!!
+1 on that
now im not one to be ok with bitching, but i understand the concern.
just because it is a privilege to be able to buy drugs on the silk road, doesnt mean thats an excuse to raise prices sky high. the reason most people bitch is because theyre tired of paying double prices for weak product. on top of that, if you feel like you have a "right" to overcharge just because your selling on the silk road go ahead. but in my opinion it just shows your intent.
who would you rather buy drugs from? the guy who is trying to make money or the guy who is trying to spread the love?
i am on here to spread psychedelics to people that could otherwise not get them, i do not charge 20 bucks extra just because it is a privilege to buy drugs from me, that feels like stealing.
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The ironic thing is that at the end of the day, I probably make less selling here than F2F. Its 1k times harder than you would think...IF I deal with a buddy f2f it takes 30 seconds and hes gone. Here (99 percent of all clients are cool) but that 1 percent makes my life HELL!!! I could start a bitch session here, but i wont... I honestly wish that SR admins could implement a function to ignore a user. Yesterday, I received 38 Pm's from one customer. Thats just from yesterday!!, not including the 20 the day before (from the same one) . Ok, ill stop now...
ouch. I feel your (chronic) pain. that sucks.
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I for one am ok with paying slightly higher prices than you find on the street simply because I don't have to go look for it. I also am tired of people bitching about the prices, all the while saying that they can get it cheaper where they are from.... then why are they here? I know if I could just walk down the block and buy good quality acid any time of the day, any day of the week, with nobody knowing my real name, or any info about me, I would do it in an instant instead of bitching on an online forum about being overcharged with a currency that I can create with nothing but a little rise in my electric bill.... i lost my train of thought....must be this overpriced acid clouding my brain today!
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wretched
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A mate of mine runs a retail store and has the following sign stuck to the service desk.
"If you can find it cheaper elsewhere, why are you here?"
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@chronicpain Dude I hear that. With the products we sell, we get it the WORST. PMing me is not gonna make the mail come any quicker. I really try to never ignore a customer but if you send me 10 PMs in one day asking if your product is shipped, then sorry I'm probably gonna ignore you. And you are totally right about the difficulty. People think "They just have to package, ship and drop." Well a lot goes into packaging a product correctly, and it takes a long time. Multiply that by 20 or 30 a day and it becomes very, very time consuming and tedious. Packaging also becomes quite more expensive than people think! They also think we have little to no risk of LE involvement. Yes our risk may go down (if done correctly) but the consequences if caught go up. Next to every pack is crossing state lines and it automatically becomes federal, and not only that you know they want to bust the Silk Roaders to make an example. I won't even go into the defrauding the mail system part.
@Calistoner Yeah I agree I don't think anyone has the right to overcharge, but you must charge what you must to make it worth it for you. Acid is probably the most varied drug as far as price goes, so I would consider it an exception since there really isn't a set price to over charge on. For instance, with weed you can bank on 50$ an eighth being the average. As far as who i would rather buy from it depends on the product I am wanting. If i wanted a product that I would probably only be buying one time, then I'd go for the dude spreading the love. If I wanted a product that I would want consistently, I would go for the businessman because they are guaranteed to be more reliable, safer and careful. I have had dealers that fade away in a week and dealers that have been around for decades. Honestly the ones who lasted decades were businessmen.
@F104 I disagree. Benzo and opiate users DEFINITELY need their drugs to function. But yes the second part I agree with.
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I wouldn't have a clue where to get the product I recently bought on Silk Road in the real world.
I wanted it, someone was selling it at a price I was willing to pay. If I wasn't willing to pay the price, I wouldn't have. What more is there to say?
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Heres my take on this; SR is to a degree, built for those of us that don't live near large urban areas where our mindblowing luxuries are easy to come by. Its built for those of us that live in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere. Expect to pay a premium, because there are no other sources. Additionally, many of our sellers ARE the chemists/growers, and so an uncut product is obviously costlier, despite not having to grease several middle men(which might be as to why the premium is SMALL and not double or more).
my .02btc
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buyers have every right to bitch about price if they want.
just liuke they havea right to bitch ab out quality and service.
we want a market with competition among sellers.
the point is a free market.
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buyers have every right to bitch about price if they want.
just liuke they havea right to bitch ab out quality and service.
we want a market with competition among sellers.
the point is a free market.
Seems like your bitching is doing a great job of accomplishing what you wish. </sarcasm>
The only reason I started this thread is because every day when I check these forums there is thread after thread:
Why are prices so high?
Why can I not get the drugs I want at the price I want?
Where are all the real legit sellers with real prices?
I got one:
Why can't I read the forum without sifting through pointless threads that will make no difference whatsoever?
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So, do you respect your customers? or are they just suckers who give you money?
There's plenty of respectful vendors to buy from. You dont have to sell here., right?
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So, do you respect your customers? or are they just suckers who give you money?
There's plenty of respectful vendors to buy from. You dont have to sell here., right?
You've never been a customer of mine. Maybe you should take a look at my feedback if you want to know if I'm respectful to my customers? But lets try not to change the subject here as this is completely off topic.
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Why can't I read the forum without sifting through pointless threads
You can ... It's called not clicking on the threads that questions seller pricing.
It's a difficult thing to accomplish though, as your eye-to-hand synaptic pathway leads directly through your toughest foe ... the brain that is telling you to click and read them.
Of course, you are most likely inundated with to many of them to bypass or ignore.
In the end you are doing exactly what they are doing.
Complaining.
Complaining about them complaining about prices.
Full-circle has been achieved.
That said, I think the price thing will work itself out as more and more sellers enter the fray to add more competition, the prices will come down.
When the high dollar prima donnas' see sales slumping as their more reasonable lower-priced competitors flourish, they will either leave or adjust pricing and service accordingly.
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my point is that your attitude makes me not want to buy from you.
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@envious - what crawled up your ass and died bro?
dont be taking out your anger in the forums,i dont see how it does you, or anyone else anygood.. at least try to be respectful...maybe just a little?
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Yeah I guess I'm an opinionated prick. I don't have a problem admitting it. If that makes you want to avoid business with me so be it. I am who I am.
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Yeah I guess I'm an opinionated prick. I don't have a problem admitting it. If that makes you want to avoid business with me so be it. I am who I am.
clearly.
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Yeah I guess I'm an opinionated prick. I don't have a problem admitting it. If that makes you want to avoid business with me so be it. I am who I am.
clearly.
So whats that? Trying to elicit another prick response from me? :)
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Clearly the pricing issue will reach it's own natural level, in some cases probably as good or better than F2F, like in high volume, high traffic items such as weed. LTTM seems to be setting the pace there so far.
Other categories, like opiates, where the "average" user is *much* more bound to the daily intake and needs a continuous supply like they need water, will be a different situation. There will probably be other opiate sellers on here, but until there is a responsive, high volume, reasonably priced, opiate seller, the prices will NOT, in my humble opinion, come down.
I have had a good deal of communication with envious and he was always respectful and, frankly, friendly and conversant. He was also always willing to offer a good price for an item if some kind of quantity was being purchased. Recognizing the extra effort needed to ship a lot of onesies and twosies is hard for a buyer to fathom unless they have been a seller before. Prior to MrDdro and chronicpain, envious was the *only* quantity supplier of opiates at the marketplace. An "enviable" (sorry, couldn't help it!) position but not one that would be enjoyed in any free market for too long.
Any free market will always adjust pricing according to supply and demand. The forums don't really need either a lot of price bitching threads or threads against price bitching. Neither seems to accomplish its intended purpose, on that I think we'd all pretty much agree.
What the market needs is a couple of more good quantity, responsive, friendly opiate sellers, just like McDdro, chronicpain and even envious, in his un-pissedoffattheforum incarnation. :)
Besides just absolute price, there are a lot of considerations when you make a purchase. Some tangible and some intangible. A decent amount of competition would be good for everybody. But as opiates have a way, with buyers, of there never being enough, it may take a while for that equilibrium to be achieved here at SR.
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Envious you are a gift to the game in times where we are slaves to our trade.
@redtide - check out Sedated's thread, he seems more suitable for you. His long term goal is to offer lower prices and he uses his product but that shouldn't make you feel worried about the fact that he cant afford the product in the first place. He sounds like a very nice guy though with a great attitude. I'd say go check out Lemondrop but after (thanks for the backup guys, dicks) being exposed at least to be a liar his thread suddenly dissapeared but he was another very very nice guy.
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I'm sorry, but I feel envious has over-estimated his value to the market.
final answer. :-X
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I'm sorry, but I feel envious has over-estimated his value to the market.
final answer. :-X
Please post any and all quotes from any of my posts where I have said anything about my 'value' to to the market. Just to make it a bit easier for you, you can view all my posts by clicking my name and then clicking show posts.
Do you have a personal crusade against me because I mouthed off to you on a forum? Get a life douche.
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Please post any and all quotes from any of my posts where I have said anything about my 'value' to to the market. Just to make it a bit easier for you, you can view all my posts by clicking my name and then clicking show posts.
Of course you have never specifically stated in exact terms what your "value" is to the market, however, when reading through your post history here and on SR main site, its easy to see you are quite full of yourself and/or the service you previously provided. Much like GreenCo, KingBud, their forum shills/alts they use to back up their forum postings, and a select few others.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
I fear you are in for a rude awakening.
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Please post any and all quotes from any of my posts where I have said anything about my 'value' to to the market. Just to make it a bit easier for you, you can view all my posts by clicking my name and then clicking show posts.
Of course you have never specifically stated in exact terms what your "value" is to the market, however, when reading through your post history here and on SR main site, its easy to see you are quite full of yourself and/or the service you previously provided. Much like GreenCo, KingBud, their forum shills/alts they use to back up their forum postings, and a select few others.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
I fear you are in for a rude awakening.
KindBud and Greenco gotta be some of the most respectful people on this forum. How did this turn against them? I don't know where you guys get this stuff. I could say the same thing about you and redtide. Perhaps you are a shill account to back him up? Ahh nothing like a good debate... :)
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Because its connective tissue.
We can use our intellect in combination with the coincidence factors in posts to determine it. When we have certain posters that only post to certain other users threads to back them up, and they have very low post counts, and this is consistently repeats, there is a very high likelihood its a shill/alt.
Absolutely, KB and GC are very respectable when posting on those screen names, because those screen names represent the business and must keep a certain level professionalism, else it would negatively affect "the business". Consumer perception and all...
Absolutely, the extreme possibility exists that I am a shill for redtide, however if one goes back through forum history, I have absolutely no connective tissue on the forums other than this specific thread that even remotely insinuates a relationship.
That's the difference, ergo, no connection at all.
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LOL you guise are so funny.
I can't believe I'm saying this but ya'll need more drugs like they isn't enough for everyone here all ready.
Now imma need some: Drop, Crush, Swirl and inject please :P
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buyers have every right to bitch about pricing, and the sellers who listen will get more business. maybe the sellers don't realize how overpriced they are. have you ever tried to negotiate a lower price for yourself?
however, you bitching about other people bitching really has no place on the forum, IMO.
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So buyers have the right to bitch but sellers don't? Quite the double standard you impose there rtshredder.
On another note, no matter what your pricing is you will never make everyone happy. I bring it back to my original point of: If you can find it cheaper elsewhere, why not just buy it there instead of complaining on a forum?
I'm not concerned about business or I would not have started this thread in the first place. Worst case scenario I piss everyone on SR off and sell them on the street in a day.
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Dude just don't click the posts.
I haven't had anyone bitch about my prices but I think that's because they are in the lower range on SR (Canadian product). But if they did, big deal. if they don't want the product they won't buy it. if they do, they will (they do!)
I just think this topic is pointless - it's not like half the posts in the forums are about prices, I dont' even see one a day.
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Yeah I know no one has even bitched about my prices.
Ya'll got trolled! :D
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Yeah I know no one has even bitched about my prices.
Ya'll got trolled! :D
It's hard to bitch about non-existent prices for non-existent listings on non-existent opiate items by a seller who has more "fable" than "return" in his "fabled return"...hehehe
Schwiiing....gotcha! ;)
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You make a fine point.
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***facepalm***
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obvious troll is obvious