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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: anarcho47 on July 21, 2011, 06:57 pm
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We should have a topic as a community about horror stories. no, not campfire ghost stories or even stories about shitty sellers or shitty customers.
This thread should be about online sellers that people know who have gotten busted by LE. How did it happen? What were the mistakes they made? What sort of evidence was brought against them, etc.
The reason I post this is because BCBudman apparently just got pinched by the legalists. He is in my country. I want to know how he got caught. I want to know what mistakes he made so myself and others aren't making them too.
Unfortunately I don't have any of my own because I am one of these type of sellers: I don't have any friends that do my product, my customers are all just acquaintances who don't even know my real name. I don't even use my own product regularly. I don't have friends in the business, just a couple of long-term contacts who operate the same way. Everyone keeps their distance, nobody talks outside of business, and our meetings are brief and professional. I dont' know anyone who has been busted because I know what a reckless dealer is from a hundred miles away and I keep my distance - I lead a pretty quiet life. Work, the typical middle class setup, all of that.
Anyway, I just thought this is a very pertinent issue in light of a couple of recent seller busts from SR (I'm not sure if it was SR related or they were doing sloppy f2f business, but that's one of the things I really want to find out).
Let's keep this topic going so we can all learn a valuable lesson without getting kidnapped and locked in a cage by a bunch of fucking sadists who would actually take a paycheck to do that kind of shit.........
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Well, I don't know about online sellers, but in "real" life it is 90% sloppiness on the part of the dealer. The best set up is a middle class lifestyle without paper trails. You have to look completely different than a drug dealer "looks". This is pretty much common sense for everyone here, I'm sure. It would probably stand to reason the best way not to get caught is to have a healthy paranoia, think of possible scenario's before they happen, and try to pre correct any mistakes.
I'm sure there is a way to do it and eventually retire.
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I'm ten years in and not a dent so far. But I think I get more paranoid as I go along because I have more to lose... so it helps me.
But I am new to online selling, and even though I approach it with the same safety/security levels as I do f2f life, I am wondering what has caused others to be taken out.
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Mostly, it's letting one's guard down, telling the wrong person, getting caught in a stupid way. How often do you read of people who get caught speeding or running a red light, then turns out they were carrying a whole lot of dope. But the world I used to live in, it was either that, or somebody *else* getting caught, and ratting you out...it was never great detective work...we weren't big enough to warrant that.
That's why I always tell people on here that sometimes we put too much time into the crytpo-digital problems, when usually if we get nailed it'll be because we just *had* to tell our homies about this great new way to get dope online...then one of the homies get popped, decides to give you up. Only time will tell. I'm as susceptible as the next guy: I like to be friendly, talk, I'm not always careful...so this has been a tough one: just got to keep it to myself, and hard as it is, I can't make friends with sellers, for their safety, and so if they *do* get in trouble, they'll know it wasn't me.
I even turned off pm's for a while...just got to keep it private, nothing personal, but the less you know about me, and I know about you, the better off we'll all be...I know many of you with good intentions kind of want to eliminate 'the middleman.' I got no quarrel with that...but I like the middleman...the middleman keeps me safe and happy.
I love SR, like helping out here, want it to prosper. Got no complaints about the system, and have a few great sellers I get along fine with...
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BCBudMan was a solid seller. Could have went far here too, super top notch stuff and really responsive. I honestly feel for him. At least it was canada and not the states but still...makes me even more noided out which is probably a good thing.
I wonder if it was related to SR at all they seized his puter so I hear but that could have just been taken as part of the normal evidence collection of the raid.
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On opiophile a girl was warning us away from SR, saying she had got busted in some kind of Tor setup, and how dangerous it was...but after reading her posts, well-meaning tho they were, it seemed she was meeting with somebody F2F, which is way different. Here we don't meet, and have no reason to share info. And no way to link us that is valid. I don't know on BCBudman. But so far all the stories, when somebody gets nailed, it's always through just plain old fashioned stuff...never any high-tech gadgetry or network analysis. I doubt they can justify the expense, when who knows where most of us live, anyway...with all the seriously dangerous international terror and arms sales going on in the world, I doubt they get all that excited about a few lightweight drug transactions...but one should be careful anyway...you never know...
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I just caught some information that indicated he was growing, packaging, and shipping on site, and did not have even a power-bypass for his hydroponics system (unless there was solar power or something else that wasn't mentioned.)
Bloody rough, this life can be.