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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: illustrated on July 20, 2011, 04:15 pm
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I won't name any names, but I'm thinking about ordering from a high-rated seller, who, even though they have a high rated, has had several packages get seized. While the buyers and the seller have worked out deals each time (it seems), I'm wondering what this means for the buyer from a legal standpoint. Concerns of getting compensation from the seller aside, how safe is it legally to order from a seller who's had packages get seized?
To rephrase my question: how much of a legal risk would I be taking if a package I ordered got seized?
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It depends where you are, what it is and how much - but more than likely you will just receive a 'gutted, we've got your shit' letter
and nothing more would come of it
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Can't speak for any other Vendors but we ship from a different return address everytime. We also ship from several different zip codes.
Getting packages lost/stolen/seized is a fact of life here, but it probably shouldn't happen too often or something is wrong and needs to change.
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I know this sounds kind of negative. It's a bit similar to : "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." I try to operate on the theory that the package *is* compromised, but that I want it anyway. I make sure I have a good alibi ready, and I know to 'button up' if things get bad on my end. Mostly I keep an eye out for pm's that don't seem consistent with previous messages, and especially if I get requests for more information.
The truth is that there is no real way to be sure package isn't being followed, and that seller hasn't been compromised. Just like F2F, you never can be totally sure. It's very easy to either get *too*paranoid, and start thinking that they are spending millions just to track me down...or the reverse, which is to start thinking that what I do is legal. Somewhere in the middle is just being wary and prepared, and that's where I try to hang out.
We are small fry. But I know there probably are LE reading this too, but nobody knows for certain, and I guess I just hope I'm being careful enough, without making life miserable with worry. But there's a reason that everybody doesn't flock here, and that reputable sites--like opiophile.org--warn people off. It'll never be totally safe.
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Considering budget restraints in recent government spending, one would think that law enforcement has better things to do than focus on small-time transactions of sellers/buyers of SR. I mean, one would also think that they consider the potential crime/sometimes fund of gang activity through drugs, via street sales would be areas they'd be focusing their attention. That's just me.
I mean, I understand that there are Postal Inspectors out there, and LEOs and whatnot, but really? I mean, if they can't even keep up with the drug sales and transactions in inner cities, what would make us think they're pulling task resources off those levels and getting them here?
Dunno....
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Plus, the fact we don't sell guns or child porn, that generally we are obviously good hearted people that desire a product that should--and is, in some countries--be legal anyway. No real threat to society here. I know that's wishful thinking, and LE does what LE is obligated to do. We just try to survive, and are burdened with a need that society has deemed a crime. Was a terrible move, and has solved nothing, but forced so many of us underground.
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missing packages do not actually happen -EVER- way less than 1%
if you have a non delivery that should be a big big deal.
Either the buyer or the Seller do not know what they are doing.
There are some exceptions, like someone used one system that was flawed and now uses a different system, but non deliveries never happen.
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yes non-deliveries are maybe 1:500 or 1:1000 packages these days.
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The only way that I see a package "not delivered" is if the buyer uses an address that is like an abandoned house, or a neighbors addy or a friends home or a business. The only way that I would give a refund or partial refund is if I screwed up on the address or if the contents were replaced by a love letter (Meaning I didn't package it well. Shipping within the usa and not sending a substance that has a heavy order should make it there with no issues. As long as the vendor follows all the rules. professional packaging, printed and professional looking labels.) In all my years of sending items through the mail (all pharms) I have not had one issue.
If a buyer is going to use "fishy" addresses where there isn't a 100 percent chance that the buyer will be able to get a hold of the package, he/she should take 100 percent of the risk of it being delivered. Why should a vendor have to give up 50 percent or more of the funds when its totally out of the hands of the vendor. Its the buyers responsibility that the address that they use will work without any issues .
The above only applies to USA to USA shipping. Customs is another issue.
I hope I made sense.
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I agree^^^, and that's why, once I know seller alright, I lift escrow by 'finalizing' as soon as order is shipped. If for *some* reason it doesn't show, then I just sort it out with seller. I've had to use 'iffy' houses, where I didn't know how long before it would stick out, and have caught people watching, etc. And if it didn't show I'd just let seller know, but figure it was on me. Mail shows up, pretty much always in my book.
The two times product didn't show up for me here, I got reimbursed thru escrow. But I didn't consider it a rip, just an inconvenience. One seller--envious--explained, and I believed him. The other seller didn't and just sort of fell off the map, but I got my btc back, and figured it was just another junky...it happens.