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Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: happyonlife on June 18, 2011, 04:41 pm

Title: Membership Fee
Post by: happyonlife on June 18, 2011, 04:41 pm
While I'm sure we all really appreciate you running SR for nothing, I was thinking a small membership fee would make sense.  Wouldn't have to be much, maybe $20 /year or something.  That way, the more the site grows, the more funds there are to support operations.

Also, having a fee would cut down on the number of ghost accounts people setup to resell or to pump up their own ratings/reviews.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: Reece on June 18, 2011, 05:21 pm
I completely support this.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: envious on June 18, 2011, 06:02 pm
While your intentions are good, this totally goes against free market values that Silk Road is known for. He already takes a small percentage of all sales. I'm sure this adds up quickly. A lot of users would not be okay with this as prices here are already generally higher than street prices. I think in the long run he would make more just taking his cut as he is now rather than charging a fee.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: g4bb3r on June 18, 2011, 06:04 pm
"running SR for nothing"
He makes 5% of every sale.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: happyonlife on June 18, 2011, 06:22 pm
Huh, I didn't realize SR took a % out of each sale.  If that's the case then let's not have dues.

I just figured that for SR to be sustainable, it would need some income somehow.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: lex on June 18, 2011, 06:27 pm
So long as the 5% suffices in keeping SR alive, I see no need for a membership fee (although it would discourage people in making extra accounts, which would be a good thing).
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: Megatherium on June 20, 2011, 11:33 am
"running SR for nothing"
He makes 5% of every sale.

Wait?Whut? Can I get a link to that? 1% oder 0.1 btc (whichever is lower) would be ok, but 5%? Where did you read that?
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: Botulism on June 22, 2011, 01:52 am
"running SR for nothing"
He makes 5% of every sale.

Wait?Whut? Can I get a link to that? 1% oder 0.1 btc (whichever is lower) would be ok, but 5%? Where did you read that?

g4bb3r is a seller so I think he'd know how much is getting subtracted from his own transactions bro.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: CrunchyFrog on June 22, 2011, 02:08 am
> Wait?Whut? Can I get a link to that? 1% oder 0.1 btc (whichever is lower) would be ok, but 5%? Where did you read that?

http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/1647
GreenCo, in the "About us" section.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: g4bb3r on June 22, 2011, 02:52 am
The buyer ends up paying the 5%. Here's a couple of screenshots to prove my point: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/be3ee0a9ef5081c998dead61f5f102eb.png

I would receive 0.33BTC while the buyer would send SR 0.35BTC. 0.33 * 1.05 = 0.35 when rounded.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: Kind Bud on June 22, 2011, 04:23 am
I love the $20 membership fee. This is the best idea here in a while. It would cut all the bogus reviews to nothing. It would also seriously hinder the cops or any malicious takeover.

You could have lurker privileges but to interact with the site should cost $20.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: 72289 on June 23, 2011, 04:22 am
Wouldn't mind paying a membership fee, totally worth it.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: randomattack on July 13, 2011, 12:28 pm
Why are you all so keen to fork money over to the guy that runs this site? $20 a year.. I would probably leave if i had to pay that

5% on each sale isnt all he gets, he gets to hold BTC in the interim between transactions, and that is very valuable.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: btcfreedom on July 16, 2011, 12:40 am
The site is not run for free, get your shit straight.

First of all though - if you really want to help support our Market- you should really be donating to Silk Road. Do it once or twice. It feels good.

I personally have made a few donations small and large - and they're always appreciated.


~btc~
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: RickyRango on July 17, 2011, 10:04 pm
Nah, I think the 5% fee is enough.  The Admin runs the site and gets his 5%, the buyers get their drugs nice and easy, and the sellers get their profits.  It's all win win already.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: Kind Bud on July 17, 2011, 11:41 pm
Someone posted that escrow now costs 6.2% or 6.4%. I like the fee because I worry that too high a % will scare off potential buyers or encourage people to trade outside of escrow.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: phubaiblues on July 18, 2011, 05:46 pm
Nah, I think the 5% fee is enough.  The Admin runs the site and gets his 5%, the buyers get their drugs nice and easy, and the sellers get their profits.  It's all win win already.

Yep: don't fix what isn't broken.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: anarcho47 on July 19, 2011, 02:43 am
If you want to help the market be a good buyer and a good seller.  Donations are a last resort - reward SR for doing a good job providing the services  he is providing.

Trust me he is making a killing.  Every time you refresh the front page new feedback keeps on rolling through, and some of these transactions are sizeable (I have personally had 10 full ounce transactions this month).  He is making some excellent money right now and volumes seem to be increasing.

The structure is ideal the way it is, with everybody getting rewarded with honest performance.  This would also make it very difficult for buyers who wish to purchase with a different account each transaction for security purposes (although I don't personallya advocate this practice and believe PGP and a good buyer/seller relationship is a far stronger way to go).  Is a buyer going to pay an extra $20 every time he wants to do a transaction?  I dont' think so - let the sellers bake it into the price - it already seems everyone is happy with it by the number of sales on here.

The fee structure though, I have given some thought, and have decided that to encourage sellers to stick around long-term and not migrate off to another site (this might well be the case as I am sure there are some strong imitators in the works as we speak, due to the success of this venture) a tiered-broker fee system would be ideal.  I just posted it here:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1053.0

Don't touch the animal when it's purring, I say.....  let him sleep.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: RedRocket on July 21, 2011, 11:50 am
i agree,accounts@$20,but $20 dollars for life, that will stop people opening multiple accounts,shit stirring,bumping up feedback etc etc...its a very very tiny fee..and once you have paid,its done,you now a member for life.
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: btcfreedom on July 21, 2011, 02:37 pm
a fee won't fix that. we have to work as a community for that to be solved...even with a fee people will find a way
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: MrDdroMcGillacutty on July 27, 2011, 02:34 am
I agree on several points. A membership fee would okay with me. NOT TO HIGH. As long as the site weeds out the bad and becomes more secure. I also love the idea of charging LE to interact with the site. F*N AWESOME!! Pay to play. They would soon be outed and be nothing but a minor irritation. Follow safety protocols, switch up your routine, wear gloves always, the mail person is not your friend, be sincere in your intentions, ect. We all will be a lot safer and happier.

We also need to work together to make it a better place. Donations always help. I've done it and will again real soon. But we can and should do more. I am personally big on security. Nothing I do is easy. That's the compromise for safety. I would love to help. I am just not sure where to begin. All the new changes. More to come. There is a lot of catching up to do. From here it seems under control. I humbly offer my services and help in any way. I know a little bit, lol. Not a noob. Until I am asked I will just keep paying fees and donating the site I love, SR. 
Title: Re: Membership Fee
Post by: MarketMaker on July 27, 2011, 06:09 am
Stupidest idea, ever.

Real good way to solidify SR as an internet crimelord but also fuck every paying member in the ass as they then would become members of a private profit driven org instead of a free community of discussion.  Profits flow up while direction and policy flows downard? That's pretty much textbook. Yeah *if* they get SR that is what will be explained to the Jury as his picture is on top of a pyramid.  He has accepted this risk and seems competent enough to be untracable. 

I'm not that competent and dont want to have my picture next to "associate - often seen discrediting certain dealers, name indicated he did this to manipulate prices, he never placed orders and no other members discredited dealers openly so it is believed this man is actually a midlevel associate , possibly the director of finance.  He was charged with conspiracy this morning and given no bond while invesitgators scramble to link him to profits."

Don't do it, let the members at least have some sort of out should shit hit the fan.