Quote from: thyme on May 11, 2012, 08:30 amQuote from: Appa on May 11, 2012, 12:08 amNEVER sign for/accept from the mailman a package that you suspect contains contraband!Here's a side question. I was picking up a friend's mail while housesitting, different state, and she gets all mail at the UPS Store. They required a sign slip for all packages, even though she had the big box for her business. Is this standard at all UPS Stores or is it state-specific? It doesn't seem universal to all CRMAs but I've seen it at a couple of UPS Stores now.QuoteThyme, have you run across any examples of controlled deliveries being conducted without the person having to take the package directly from the "mailman"? I wouldn't think they would leave it on the doorstep and wait for you to pick it up and bring it inside, but I'd like to know if there's precedence for this.Via a PMB/POB, yes, that's come up in the indictments/appeals, for substance and for CP alike (the other big controlled delivery area, although that's more online now); can start pulling in cites this weekend but I am on the wrong machine.I recall "on the porch"type cases but not for certain, will have to look and add them on to the thread.Someone else can speak to you about IRL experience. I probably need a life that does not involve reading indictments and appeals, but it does have a horrible fascinating quality."Dominion and control" does not require handoff from the postal carrier, as I understand it. Important idea.Consider this: if I leave you $10K on your porch and wander off reading my book, are you going to argue? No?Right. You have dominion/control over it. It's Your Money now. Finders keepers = dominion and control.By the way, that le.alcoda.org/publications/point_of_viewsite is full of good stuff - look through it. Hope they don't get squicked out by the sudden influx of traffic.More to follow, cheers.dominion/control doesn't quite work like that. There has to be intent to relinquish ownership. Sending something in the mail is, as a sender, implicating an intent to relinquish ownership of that thing and pass it on to whomever it is designated. If I pick up something out of the garbage, that's considered dominion because the act of disposing of something indicates that the owner has relinquished ownership to anyone who wishes to utilize the thing.There has to be intent, because if I forget my wallet at my buddy's house he can't just take my credit card and go buy himself a new motorcycle and think that's cool. That's how the practicalities of anarcho-syndicalism would work out (it's an utterly failed ideology that understands nothing of human nature or economics), but it is in complete violation of natural law without a demonstration of intent.