Quote from: kmfkewm on April 22, 2012, 04:11 pmBHN is a soverign citizen apparently. They are a very strange breed of people, who think that they know the real law and that all the police and judges have it wrong. They think that their perception of the law is in any way tied to reality, so must be fairly delusional. I do give them props though, they have killed enough law enforcement officers to be classified as a domestic terror threat. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-20062666.htmlI actually am highly sympathetic to their cause, the main difference between me and them is that I don't think there is a secret version of the law, and have not become preoccupied with holding mock trials and 'convicting' judges/police officers. There are probably some other differences too. They are very close to libertarian / anarchist and can often be found in the same circles, however they have become obsessive compulsive in regards to certain beliefs that have no real ties to reality, and that nobody really cares about except them (ie: ranting on about how the law "really is" to exhaustive detail, despite all indications showing that they are completely incorrect) Anarchists / Libertarians: Think that taxation is morally wrong and don't like itSovereign Citizens: Think that taxation is actually illegal under the real law and that they will not get arrested if they don't pay it provided they follow the procedures in their made up laws that they think are realAnarchists / Libertarians: Think that things like the roads and drivers licenses should be handled by the free market, not the government Sovereign Citizens: Think that it is not illegal for them to drive without a license under the real law, and sometimes shoot police officers when they are pulled over I think most of them also believe that the federal government owes everyone a hundred thousand dollars or something like that and keeps it hidden in a secret bank from us because they don't want to pay up.etc etc. Sovereign citizens take libertarianism and anarchy to their insane extremes (which doesn't mean that they are radical anarchists or libertarians, but means that they are insane people with libertarian and anarchist beliefs. The reason they are insane is because they both think and act like we live in an anarchist society, so they think doing things like shooting police, will not get them arrested, because if the police arrest them for say drug possession, they are convinced that this is actually kidnapping UNDER THE LAW instead of just in reality) I don't buy into MOST of the sovereign citizens doctrine because it has been so muddled by the post-modern reconstructionist movement in "intellectual" circles, and then double raped by hegellianism. You've got guys like Rob Menard running around preaching that we are born into some kind of abundant wealth that our benevolent state is just holding on our behalf, and that just by being alive you are entitled to a laundry list of shit for filling out some basic paperwork. It's insanity, and completely twisted, AND in total violation of the natural law they purport to uphold and live by.That being said, I did watch the special that 60 minutes did on Sovereign Citizens a year or two ago, and it was very telling. They spent the entire show basically painting them as whack-jobs (80% correct). The most poignant part of the show was where they went over the whole liens and bond revoking. Even 60 minutes admitted that judges and cops and DA's ARE getting liens put on them, meaning that in our legal system there actually does exist a remedy for a contract (oath) and the bond upon which the taker of an oath must operate (within the parameters of their contract). They admitted right on the show that it's making the lives of judges and lawyers and cops a nightmare because they can't do their job without being bonded, and you can't have a bond when you have a lien against it. So there's legitimacy going on there, even though they just brushed over it and painted a sob story on behalf of the public "servants" caging and kidnapping peacefully associating people.There have been some great inroads along these lines in South Carolina, where police have been having their bonds liquidated so much, they have been instructed to move their assets to other people's names to avoid repossession (which is fraud, lol), and the supreme court essentially ruled that they have about the same authority under the law as a "Walmart Cop".There are certain things that SC's have nailed down that exist within the law, like silence=assent, compliance=assent. These are all part of the common law structure that was enacted in the 1800's. That being said, the hokey, "I'm entitled to everything ever because I'm breathing" shit just needs to die, and die now. I am all for taking away a police officer's job for arresting someone for a non-violent "crime", or having a DA disbarred for attempting to prosecute a non-violent "crime". That's the good stuff. But this socialist, born-into-prosperity, hegellian bullshit is completely eroding the foundation upon which a non-devolving society is built.