Quote from: Shredder on March 08, 2012, 08:18 pmI'm sure Ianfleming was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek but his post combined with BenJesuit's immediately afterward point to an important contrast I think needs to be addressed: -Don't sell people-If you don't like it, don't buy itI don't think it's at all justifiable to have human trafficking involved in this website and I doubt that anybody here would argue with me. So that implies that the Line is drawn somewhere, right?Well even if we say that Line is "don't hurt anybody" it begins to get fuzzy right away: obviously weapons hurt people (save the "arm the world like we were Swedish so there's no more crime" argument, please). Obviously drugs hurt people (save the "every drug is great and we should put acid in the water supply" argument, please). Obviously that GORGEOUS guitar up for sale on the road now hurts people (save the "Ozzy didn't make that kid commit suicide" argument, please). Obviously . . . . . . With that point made, I'll stop joke-exampling :) The logical train of questions that follows the above logic : 1- If this isn't a democratic issue, can we still democratically decide how to decide it, if not democratically? 2- In that case, wouldn't the only solution be to essentially elect someone to decide for us?3- To prevent this from becoming a weird dictatorship or something wouldn't it be better if we elected a GROUP of someones to decide for us? 4- How do they decide, if not democratically?5- Is that not the impetus for the problems that drove us SR Weirdos underground to begin with?6- Rallying against that happening, is the only other choice sheer anarchy?7- If we embrace Anything Goes anarchy - I mean *really* anything goes, not just "it's absurd we can't take certain chemicals" - how long would it be before human traffickers and stuff take over the Road and it becomes its own worst nightmare? I'm sorry but I simply cannot agree with the thinking that seems to imply that there are no real criminals out there doing real terrible things to real human beings. Or that we should do anything to foster that.Just your Local Friendly Neighborhood Shredmod trying to keep this discussion going. While it is entirely up to DPR like anarch said, we all know DPR listens to us all and needs to be fed with good ideas or ... Well, you've seen Gremlins ;)Anarchy is you going down to the store and getting a pack of cigarettes. Anarchy is you meeting up with your friends for dinner and having some good conversation. Anarchy is just another word for non-coerced voluntary action. A private gated community where you have sign a butt-load of contacts just to live there (can't paint your house a certain color, no trampolines on the lawn, have to pay a lawn service to make sure your yard looks good, have to pay for private security firm to patrol, etc) are all completely legitimate under anarcho-capitalism. This is a 100% voluntary-association based platform, which is what makes it so cool. DPR is the property owner, and as the property owner he gets a say. The market's natural mechanisms will take care of him.If this becomes a nest of deviant CP-er's or human traffickers, the good people will leave. I would leave. And because of this mass-migration, DPR would lose a shit-ton of money. Your arguments about weapons and drugs are perfunctory. No inanimate object can be wrong in and of itself, no inanimate object can do harm in and of itself. It requires outside force/choice in order to do that. ignore the numbers all you like, but I have never heard of a pistol gaining sentience and going on a murder spree. Human beings harm each other. Self-OD-ing to suicide is a conscious choice a human has to make, followed by action.Human trafficking, however, is wrong, because it requires one human being to use violence to deny another human their right to their own body. That is not the same "wrong" as you label a gun with, because one is a violent action (or actions) and another is a group of tangible materials arranged in a way that allows a user to perform a specific function. If I use my computer to hack into a bank and empty out someone's bank accounts is my computer evil?In the 20th century alone, there were dozens of genocides where at least 20,000 innocent people were murdered in cold blood. In ALL of those instances, without exception, the population was disarmed.I argue everything from the N.A.P., which is a hardline set of principles grounded in universal morality. Thus, DPR has full control and ownership of this site and can dictate what happens to it, who uses it, etc. We, as the "market" (voluntarily interacting humans, including interactions with him) can dictate what he does by voice of opinion or by action. It is not democratic because this is his property. Democracy is just mob-rule, where whatever the majority happens to think is "right" (or that small group that "represent", and are chosen by, the majority) is right by rule of law, meaning by force of government guns. This is why it was a punishable, criminal offense for a black man to marry a white woman less than 100 years ago. This is why people are locked in cages for making choices with their own bodies. This is why an entire group of people, like Jews or specific tribes in Africa, can be deemed "not people" and murdered. Mob morality is fucking scary, when it comes down to it - it's produced the worst splotches on all of human history. We don't want to adopt it here.